@haitch I'm a strong believer in the saying "Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see". The perceived loss is a matter of perspective. If my suspicions are correct and has been going on since I started mining then no, it's not penny cents. It's a matter ~5% of my total ROI. But whatever, you can twist it however you want. I said I don't want any arguments but you persist. I must reiterate, I no longer want to discuss this. The state accountability and transparency make it a fools errand. So there you go. End of story. Cheers.
Posts made by BurstMiner1
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@iKnow0 I appreciate your thoughts and help with my concerns.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@haitch You are jumping to conclusions. I never said that pools should shut down. That's something you have come up with. I did however say that I find it amusing, and still do.
@rds Thanks for the input. The reason I am chasing my suspicions up is that it has been a concern of mine before jumping in with a bunch more drives. Perhaps you are right, I should go solo once this happens, or just join ninja, something like that would probably work I will fit the criteria without issue.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@haitch I don't want any arguments but it shouldn't be a case of "someone" is missing so no one knows what's going on. If you can't see exactly what's happening in your own pools' accountability then I obviously have a twisted idea of what transparency really is. I look forward to @catbref returning, if it ever happens.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@haitch Well I've done the calculations, however due to the story changing in this circus time after time I can't really use it as evidence. That being said, the results I have are still out. Sorry if you are taking this personally, but I find it amusing that BURST literally has no accountability and thus transparency. How can I ever work it out? I don't think it's ever going to be possible.
Even if I was to prove my point who is going to do anything about it? Where would I take the issue? I suppose no one really knows. Funny that.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@haitch Can you observe whether block 331148 calculated historical shares 4 blocks afterwards or at the time of completion?
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@haitch Really? Another part of the process that has no transparency? Not surprised to be honest.
If you could run that query when you find the time it would be appreciated. I'll factor in the block fees in multiple ways and see what happens.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@RichBC said in pool.burst-team.us payout confusion:
@BurstMiner1 All I am saying is that the displayed Reward Columns, Current and Historic add up to 60% & 40% of 2103.
Ok thanks Rich. I suppose the consensus is that only haitch can answer where block fees factor in as the setup is different from pool to pool?
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@RichBC said in pool.burst-team.us payout confusion:
@iKnow0 @BurstMiner1 I am not sure if this affects your calculation but the Total Reward in the Current and Historic Share Columns does not include the Transaction Fee, they add up to the Block Reward - the Pool Fee of 2% (2146 * 0.98 = 2103)
Rich
Ok so just to be clear that reward of 2103 is the set maximum reward to be split between historical and current, as the pool fees are the first adjustment? The "Transaction Fees" are a second adjustment? 2103 - block fees = the 60/40 ratio for current and historic respectively? If not where do the block fees adjust any total?
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
I have also questioned the accountability of the system. If you read this whole thread you will see what I mean. If those functions were put in place then it would make life a lot easier.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@haitch told me that he would be able to run an sql query to get my exact payout for that block, which is provided above.
I was very careful. Do you have any idea how long it takes waiting for blocks to be written ready with finger on the button to grab a screenshot. I've spent hours on this. And when I do believe a mistake was made or potentially the information was wrong I dumped those records. I have 2 samples to test and I am still waiting on the query for the second. As soon as that is supplied I will tune my calculations for block fees and report back. Though I still believe an issue exists. Thanks very much for the help. Surprised other were unable to advise on the block fees, just goes to show.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@iKnow0 said in pool.burst-team.us payout confusion:
@BurstMiner1
yes 76
so 2146+76 = 2222 (total payment received by pool for the block)2222 *.98 = 2177.56 (less the pool fee of 2%)
2177.56 * .6 = 1306.536 (total pool current share percentage)
2177.56 * .4 = 871.024 (total pool historic percentage)
1306.536 * 0.0022 = 2.8743792 (your share of the total current share percentage)
871.024 * 0.0187 = 16.2881488 (your share of the total historic share percentage)
so you should have got 2.8743792+16.2881488 = 19.162528
after four blocks
this is my understanding, if this is incorrect please let me know
for block #331119I think you messed up your decimal places.
@haitch has this query 193734903
I assume you mean 19162528xThe x is a decimal place to bring it more in line. Even so a difference still exists.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@iKnow0 said in pool.burst-team.us payout confusion:
@BurstMiner1
yes 76
so 2146+76 = 2222 (total payment received by pool for the block)2222 *.98 = 2177.56 (less the pool fee of 2%)
2177.56 * .6 = 1306.536 (total pool current share percentage)
2177.56 * .4 = 871.024 (total pool historic percentage)
1306.536 * 0.0022 = 2.8743792 (your share of the total current share percentage)
871.024 * 0.0187 = 16.2881488 (your share of the total historic share percentage)
so you should have got 2.8743792+16.2881488 = 19.162528
after four blocks
this is my understanding, if this is incorrect please let me know
for block #331119So you are saying I should have got 19.162528 BURST on block 331119? That's interesting. @haitch has something much lower and my screenshots would also disagree with that.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@iKnow0 Hang on, is this for the block 331119? Or have you jumped to help with my query on 331148?
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@iKnow0 The deferred was 2 BURST before payment, and 4 afterwards. I can't get any decimal places on that.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@iKnow0 So "Transaction Fees" are the block fees? 76 Burst?
2146 / 76 = 28.23684210526316
So the fees should account for less than the 5% difference I have above.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@iKnow0 If it is spread across all recipients that would be something like 5% of 2164? Would that be the correct assumption of a block fee? That would be around 108.2 BURST across the winning pool payout recipients.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@iKnow0 Yep. I did put a note at the bottom saying "Let me know if my assumptions are incorrect"
Where can I find the block fee for that block? Is it spread across all reward recipients?
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@BurstMiner1 said in pool.burst-team.us payout confusion:
@haitch Ok so my calculations are as follows
Block 331119
Current: 0.22
Historical: 1.87Payout before fee 2.09 BURST. 209000000 (This number is probably higher but cannot get that information)
209000000 x .98 for fee adjustment gives 204820000 or 2.04820000 BURST.Am I correct in assuming 193734903 is 1.93734903 BURST? The difference would be 0.11085097 BURST? Around 5% difference?
Let me know if my assumptions are incorrect I may be missing something crucial. Thanks.
@iKnow0 See for yourself.
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RE: pool.burst-team.us payout confusionposted in Mining & Plotting
@BurstMiner1 said in pool.burst-team.us payout confusion:
@haitch Could you please run a query on block 331148 when possible? Would like to get more samples to give a better indication if anything is going wrong. Cheers.
@haitch Can you advise of anyone else that can help me with these queries? I note you asked for the pool I was using even though it's in the title of thread. Does this mean other pool operators can perform these tasks? Really interested in getting to the point of the issues I am having.