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@captinkid proof of space ASICs lol, if you can simulate TB, how can u simulate a disk .-.
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Yes, but I'm wondering if that's only because burst doesn't have the same relative difficulty that BTC does.
When the Burst Diff goes up 100x or 200x that 120GB won't be getting any low deadlines. For the same reason a 1GH BTC miner from 2013 wouldn't be useful at all today other than a infinitesimal chance at a win.
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@captinkid ofc, that's just the plotting part, I don't think you can actually make more space from the disk rn, but we managed to get to 10TB! on one drive :P
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The botnet thing is a huge concern. If Antiviruses label our software as dangerous, then that will not be good for the coin.
It was reported that he is working with 1198TB's. His Id BURST-EJGT-3BQR-4PS9-A7UMW kind of reflects this using the income calc.
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@socalguy psh not really, look at claymore's eth miner, he takes a 1-2% fee for using his miner, and they connect to his miners for about 30-90 seconds,
his miners get flagged by malwarebytes and windows defender for me, but I leave it as a exclusion so :P
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@Evo said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
- Burst will get ASICs when the price makes it worth it, we already have proof of concept CPU and GPU mining that doesn't use hard drives. If someone builds an ASIC that can generate nonces, it'll work just fine. How many TB can be simulated is based on the efficiency of the chip, but it'll happen.
I have a miner that can process 150TB in 40 seconds. For an ASIC to be as effective as my disk, it would need to be capable of calculating 858,306,884 nonces/minute. I don't see that happening any time soon.
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Recalculating something constantly on the fly will be always more -expensive- than calculating it once, save it for forever, and just read it if necessary.It's like a speedy writer vs a library of books. What is more efficient in terms of getting information? Who would run an ASIC which simulates a 4 TB disk (random number) instead of a 4 TB HDD, when an ASIC costs 10 times more and uses 10 times more electricity? (All numbers are exemplary)
The ASICs chips are getting faster every year but so does capacity increase...
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@haitch for his previous past that he made, he said there wouldn't even be HDD's mining these coins, rather, ASICs
@captinkid said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
@HiDevin You wouldn't be plotting those nonces, you'd be reading the scoop and target from the current block and your CPU, GPU, or ASIC would only be generating nonces for the current block in real time, and submitting nonces as they are found.
No hard drive would even exist in the system at all.
You can do this with current software, but without ASICs or FPGAs it's not really worth it.
though I really doubt this, and I doubt it would work though .-.
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@HiDevin I would rather folks not have to deal with exclusion so...
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Well, it's all academic anyhow. As soon as I finish my Tachyon Activated Reduced Dimension Infinite Storage drive (T.A.R.D.I.S.), which is based on an N-dimensional quantum array of entangled high energy photons, all Burst mining will belong to me!
In truth, I already have the drive working. It's just that I'm still trying to figure out how to plot the first Yottabyte or two before I die of old age.
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@captinkid said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
But it would only have to target the scoop that is up. All of the other scoops would be ignored effectively increasing it's leverage by 4000x
But the ASIC that could simulate 4TB of only the specific scoop that is up. It would be the equivalent of 16PB of HDD space.We have this discussion at least every half year. You calc is not right as there are Shabal funcions and Xor in between during plotting. @Blago is an expert on answering exactly this question now. An ASIC has to make all scoops to extract the one it needs. Check this out:
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@captinkid You cant calculate scoop 4096 with out computing the 4095 scoops before it: scoop(x + 1) = shabal(scoop(X)) , and the plotting values require the hash from scoop 4,096. Burst Flowchart So even if the block is mining Scoop 1, you still have to calc all 4,096 scoops per nonce.
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Ahh understood! That's actually a very clean design. I retract my previous uneducated statements :)
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@captinkid Yeah, that's what helps make it ASIC resistant. And my formula above was a little simplistic:
chunk(x + 1) = shabal(chunk(x))
scoop(x) = chunk(x) XOR chunk(4096)So to be as effective as 150TB as physical disc, the theoretical ASIC, would need to compute 850M nonces per minute, which is 3.5 Trillion scoops per minute, each one requiring a computationally intense shabal hash. Like I said - no time soon, and I doubt in my lifetime.
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@haitch and don't forget that HDD/SSD sizes are rising....
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@daWallet Yep, Samsung said they'd be able to build 128TB SSD's by 2018. If they can do that cost effectively, bulk storage is about to get cheap.
