Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit )
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@haitch you're absolutely right thank you. That's just what I wanted to clear up (since, like I said, I don't understand the math/algorithm at all).
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@haitch said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
@gpedro it's complete and utter BS. SnakeOil.A scam. Mathematically impossible. The people spouting this crap are doing so from the place where crap comes from .....
I think you guys need to view this from the perspective of us without an advanced understanding of what to many would be a basic understanding of something, in this case math... many, including myself, just aren't educated enough in the field to understanding whats transpiring in the algorithms, so folks need to "see" something they can't understand, otherwise the portion of the brain that says, "well that sounds logical for some reason, I just don't know why" will take over and put us all into the position I see today...
so when I'm confronted with something like that, its generally time for a visual experiment to demonstrate whats happening, rather than just telling someone its happening and to trust they are the ones who are right, because when others tell us something, we usually defer to what our brain thinks sounds logical, and in this case, we all want to believe there is a better faster way of something something because greed is clouding our warning signs its a botnot...
I think what folks need, is a demonstration the program makes no difference... aka, plot one drive with one program, another drive with another program, then have a miner run on both same plot numbers and sizes, and see what deadlines they return, which with my limited understanding, should be roughly identical... problem is, I don't want to install that software on my machine because the little hairs on the back of my neck are standing up, and I generally listen to them, especially when I hear someone needed 15,000 ip's to "prove" he's right... the 25 years I spent running my BBS tell me exactly what that is, but the greed side of me still wants to believe, thats why I defer my choice making to those little hairs on the back of my neck standing up... but I suspect many don't want to listen to them, we never do, thats what gets us into trouble...
but I think if someone performs this test (and provides pictures with a very basic explanation of what they are doing, remember folks are very visual) to demonstrate, the plots being identical in every aspect except file size, makes no difference, I think the people will continue to ignore the little hairs on the back of their neck warning them... but I think if people are shown something didn't work, when it was supposed to work, and the deadlines are exactly the same no matter file size, then this rumor will grow and continue to spread...
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@Darkbane a real test of the program is not necessary, the math explains it.
When you plot a file, the scoops and nonces are determined by a particular equation. That equation does not take into account where the scoop is in a file. So scoop X of Nonce Y will have the same numeric value if it's the last scoop in a 1GB plot, or buried in a multi terabyte file.
When you mine, those scoop values are transformed into deadlines via a specific algorithm, again not taking the scoop position into consideration.
Since we know from the mining process the scoop values are going to be identical, and those scoops are transformed by an algorithm that doesn't give a flying f**k where abouts the scoop was in the file, those scoops will be transformed into identical deadlines.
This idea is just plain wrong, and having a single large plot is always going to be more efficient than lots of small ones. Using this plotter will make you mining time worse, not better.
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@haitch said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
@Darkbane a real test of the program is not necessary, the math explains it.
When you plot a file, the scoops and nonces are determined by a particular equation. That equation does not take into account where the scoop is in a file. So scoop X of Nonce Y will have the same numeric value if it's the last scoop in a 1GB plot, or buried in a multi terabyte file.
When you mine, those scoop values are transformed into deadlines via a specific algorithm, again not taking the scoop position into consideration.
Since we know from the mining process the scoop values are going to be identical, and those scoops are transformed by an algorithm that doesn't give a flying f**k where abouts the scoop was in the file, those scoops will be transformed into identical deadlines.
This idea is just plain wrong, and having a single large plot is always going to be more efficient than lots of small ones. Using this plotter will make you mining time worse, not better.
and I agree with you, but what I am saying is, people who do NOT understanding the basic things going on, will NEVER understand, because their judgement is being clouded by greed that something is "better" and someone is pitching the snake oil in a very convincing way... this is why a "visual proof it doesn't work" is required so people can visually see, program A vs program B, and then read using the same miner and that the result is no different... thats what I am saying... in order to squash the rumors for those who don't understand the algorithm a visual demonstrating is required to calm their minds...
the test is just to show how the "magic trick" works, and that no magic actually happened... while you can explain to me how the magic trick works, some people just need to visually see it, because MANY, especially males, are "visual learners" meaning they need to see something demonstrated rather than be told or read it, they need to see it in practice to be easier or more understood... I'm just trying to practice some simple psychology for those who desperately want to believe the snake oil salesmen selling the cure for cancer, when its just a regular bottle of tonic water that has no special curing abilities...
I accept this doesn't work, because of my experience with botnets in the past, but people who are new to burstcoin or cryptocurrencies in general, don't even know how burst or any of this works, they just know if they do something on their computer, it does something, they don't know why or how, it just does... and someone telling them something different, makes them try to search for the answer with greed rather than logic... hence why, a test with a visual demonstration, will appease and calm down their minds, and demonstrate for their eyes, this will not make any difference...
do you understand my whole purpose of this? its not to convince myself it doesn't work, its to show folks a visual demonstration of it not working, since rumors will keep spreading until someone show "pics or it didn't happen" to them... until people see things, they often won't believe things... hey did I ever tell you about the time I caught a fish thisssssss big, with this special fishing lure, its magic, would you like to buy a pack and catch fish just like me? (in this case, the botnet guy posted a picture showing his impressive results, people now want to believe with their small HDD's they too could be him, that must be countered with another picture to create the doubt they should have had in the first place)
P.S. I don't mean to sound abrasive, I'm just trying to show the psychology of why people are buying into the whole notion it works, and what it will take to steer them awake from the snake oil... so that the mask is taken off the villain and he can be seen for what he is, rather than people viewing him as the medicine man with the cure they need to compete... its just like all the scams bitcoin and others have had, the sooner someone shows visual proof, the sooner it dies off and we're on to the next scam or botnet...
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@Darkbane ok, I'll create a visual proof. Will take a little time though.
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@haitch said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
@Darkbane ok, I'll create a visual proof. Will take a little time though.
I really do think a visual comparison and demonstration will really help squash the rumors... who doesn't want to have 3.9TB and get the results of 3900TB right?
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mind blown.
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Found this:
BURSTCOIN FARM - EARN FREE BURSTCOINI don´t know if this has something to do with the botnet, but who knows ...
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@Daforce I don't think so... This is one of Fopa's scammy faucets on the PlayStore. They just keep releasing them for new coins. Kinda cool that Burst is recognized enough to get their attention though.
I say scammy because, well... you know how high withdraw limit faucets can be
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@Daforce This 100-500 Downloads so far, so hardly could cause a 15K Client Network, no?
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@Marc Unless all the other apps do the same thing. Their ETH app has 10,000 to 50,000 installs. And to boot all of the apps were updated on 6-27-2017... which is right around the time he went solo
Any .APK pros to bust these apart and check out the code?
Most of the reviews claim scam.... and I can't view more than one review on the burst app
Could be onto something here.
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@k.coins said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
you know how high withdraw limit faucets can be
I don´t know. Please enlighten me.
@Marc said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
@Daforce This 100-500 Downloads so far, so hardly could cause a 15K Client Network, no?
The apk is freely avaiable. No need to go to the playstore.
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@Daforce With high withdraw limit faucets, a couple things typically happen:
1.) The creator bets that people will use the app for a short time but not be able to reach the withdraw limit, therefore, ad revenue was earned, yet they had to pay nothing out to users.
2.) The creators will bail on the app at some time in the future (before anyone reaches withdraw), and again, earn ad revenue without paying anything out to their users
These are just two examples but I've seen these scenarios play out over and over.
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@Daforce Doesnt fit together with size of plot each abused Client aka so far as what said/is know 200-300 GB each Client. Mobiles dont hold 300GB of free space normally. Also you Need to root in some cases, dont know about the actual Androids maybe its just a click to allow Installation from unknown sources just like on the firesticks, but People rooting normally know what they are doing and are more Aware due to that.
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@Marc I'd say still probable. 300gb per client is an educated guess. There could be so much more to it than we know. They also run websites and there android downloads could be 100,000 or more. The 15,000ip's could be sloppy work and the only ones we have recovered.
To my knowledge google play won't host apps that require root. This guy is obviously good with code so who knows.
This is a great big world with many avenues....
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@crutsy possible but unlikely, thats all I said.
