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  • Hi Burst community,

    I'm currently trying to take my first steps in burst mining and there are several things which are pretty unclear for me. So I want to write down some questions where I didn't found a 100% clear or for me understandable answer.

    Basics:

    1.)
    Ok... Burst coins are not mined with cpu or asic power. They can be mined with disk space. But how exactly can we imagine this? From my understanding right now a plotter app is writing complex hashes or codes on the whole disk space that wants to be used.
    Then there are these mining pools (wallets?!). I'm not really sure but I think they are here to mine together in a community to come faster to a completely mined block? Or is it just a question of much luck to find a mined block and the community of the pool is here to rise the probability of finding a block? So anyone will most likely find (win?) a block and the earning of the block will be split and divided with all pool members to give a more stable outcome?
    I didn't get the overall concept.
    And how can we imagine the mining it self. is that somebody tells to search for a specific pattern and everybody searches on his disk. And if somebody finds it, it can return a fitting hash from his disk or somehow?
    So more disk space means a bigger chance to find this pattern... would fit.
    And faster access times also means faster searching... may also fit?

    I know... Very confusing questions but maybe someone can bring it to the point for me :-)

    Plots and Disks:

    2.)
    So plotting means to prepare the disks and fill them with data (hashes?! I don't know, magic?)
    Ok then there are these "Nonce". I have no idea what to think of this Nonces...
    From my understanding, a nonce can be seen of a block and these blocks are numbered from 0 to ??? ?
    So when I want to plot two disks it would make sense to not fill both disks with the same nonce block numbers.
    So isn't it that it makes sense to define an offset for every disk that there is no overlap with nonce numbers?

    3.)
    Is it needed to have continuing nonce numbers?
    So Disk 1: 0-99
    Disk2: 200000-200099
    Is this ok or does it make sense?
    or is 0-99 and 100-199 far more better?
    If I plot with the gui and in the run a plot in non "Expert Mode" then it seems that a random nonce number offset is used for every disk?
    I guess it's not needed to have continuing nonce numbers...

    4.)
    Maybe I'm to small minded but...
    Isn't it that there is no theoretical limit for nonce numbers? O.O
    Is it a problem that maybe most of the burst miners use low nonce numbers?
    I guess it's working differently.

    5.)
    A nonce block data depends on the nonce number and the burst address?
    So when I use my much faster laptop ( xD yes my notebook is faster) to plot a new usb disk, this shall be possible by using the correct burst address and a non used nonce number range.

    6.)
    Disk plots are independent from the mining pools?!

    Mining pool preperations:

    7.)
    I have a 1.1TB test on http://pool.burstmining.club/
    No idea if this is a promising pool but I can't get another faucet so no chance to change.
    I started the mining for a day and looked from time to time to the website. One short time I found my burst address under "Historic Shares" with 1D + 0
    I thought yeah it's running. I just did about an euro cent in a day but hey... it's working xD
    But then my entry disappeared from the website.
    ??? It's so hard to wait if you don't know if everything is correctly set up.

    8.)
    How long does it take that my burst address is shown on the pool website?

    9.)
    When can I expect the first payout?
    Or is it just luck and it could take weeks, months or years xD?

    Let's mine:

    10.)
    How long does it take until the mining app is really mining for my account?

    11.)
    What happens when I close the mining app for, let's say 10 minutes or a restart?
    Is this bad for my "reputation" in the mining pool?

    Oh... let's let it be with this xD
    I have much more questions but this is enough for today...
    I hope somebody has the patience for some answers :-)

    thanks



  • I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but maybe I can help with some of them.

    2.) I do not know what the nonces are made of. You are correct that you do not want to overlap the nonce numbers. Plotting nonces from 0-100 and nonces 50-150 is just wasting hard drive space. The network will only see you having nonces from 0-150. You do not need to create an offset between plots.

    3.) It is not needed to continue nonce numbers, but I would advise it for organizational purposes. I do not know about plotting in "expert mode."

    5.) Yes, you can plot on one computer using your burst address and a nonce range that was not used. Then you can mine on another computer if you choose. All that matters is using your burst address and a new nonce range.

    6.) Disk plots are independent from mining pools, and from every other burst address except the one used when plotting. So for example your plot nonces from 0-100 are different than my nonces from 0-100.

    7.) It seems like your setup is correct if you saw yourself in historic shares. Someone else might be able to confirm it better than me.

    9.) You could potentially see payouts in a couple days. It depends on the pool. Some pools will payout after you get a couple hundred burst in the pool. Others will payout after a certain amount of time.

    This is all to my understanding of Burst. Hopefully others can fill in the details, answer the questions I missed, and refine my answers if they are not perfectly accurate.

    I hope this helps a little bit :)



  • @fpdragon said in Questions & no Answers:

    Hi Burst community,

    I'm currently trying to take my first steps in burst mining and there are several things which are pretty unclear for me. So I want to write down some questions where I didn't found a 100% clear or for me understandable answer.

    Basics:

    1.)
    Ok... Burst coins are not mined with cpu or asic power. Correct!

    They can be mined with disk space. But how exactly can we imagine this? From my understanding right now a plotter app is writing complex hashes or codes on the whole disk space that wants to be used.

    Think of it like this,
    if you buy one lottery ticket you have a 1/(number of possible results chances) of winning
    if you buy one billion lottery tickets you have a 1,000,000,000/(number of possible results chances) of winning (Much higher, Burst is similar the more space you have plotted the more you will earn)

    Then there are these mining pools (wallets?!).
    Wallets and pools are completely different things.
    A wallet is an interface to the Burst blockchain.
    A pool is where multiple miners combine to mine and distribute their earnings on a pro-rata basis.

    A miner can mine on their own (solo mining), but by being part of a pool it reduces the variance in your earnings.

    I'm not really sure but I think they are here to mine together in a community to come faster to a completely mined block? Or is it just a question of much luck to find a mined block and the community of the pool is here to rise the probability of finding a block? So anyone will most likely find (win?) a block and the earning of the block will be split and divided with all pool members to give a more stable outcome?

    I didn't get the overall concept. ~ you are getting there

    And how can we imagine the mining it self. is that somebody tells to search for a specific pattern and everybody searches on his disk. And if somebody finds it, it can return a fitting hash from his disk or somehow? Same idea as the lottery.

    So more disk space means a bigger chance to find this pattern... Correct!
    And faster access times also means faster searching... The quicker you can read all your plots the more profitable it is.

    I know... Very confusing questions but maybe someone can bring it to the point for me :-)

    Plots and Disks:

    2.)
    So plotting means to prepare the disks and fill them with data (hashes?! I don't know, magic?)
    Ok then there are these "Nonce". I have no idea what to think of this Nonces...
    From my understanding, a nonce can be seen of a block and these blocks are numbered from 0 to ??? ?
    So when I want to plot two disks it would make sense to not fill both disks with the same nonce block numbers. Incorrect, it would be like buying two lottery tickets with the same numbers.

    So isn't it that it makes sense to define an offset for every disk that there is no overlap with nonce numbers? Yes that is how it works, many disks all different nonces.

    3.)
    Is it needed to have continuing nonce numbers? No, any order you want, but they cannot overlap.

    So Disk 1: 0-99
    Disk2: 200000-200099
    Is this ok or does it make sense? Correct!

    or is 0-99 and 100-199 far more better? no better and no worse
    If I plot with the gui and in the run a plot in non "Expert Mode" then it seems that a random nonce number offset is used for every disk? Yes, to a point, but as you add more drives it will detect the nonce ranges you have already used and select different ones for the next plot, so no overlapping occurs.

    I guess it's not needed to have continuing nonce numbers... its good practice if you do.

    4.)
    Maybe I'm to small minded but...
    Isn't it that there is no theoretical limit for nonce numbers? O.O Most programming languages have limits for math variables, 2^64 (2 multiplied by itself 64 times) is the limit i think.

    Is it a problem that maybe most of the burst miners use low nonce numbers? No
    I guess it's working differently. ?

    5.)
    A nonce block data depends on the nonce number and the burst address?
    So when I use my much faster laptop ( xD yes my notebook is faster) to plot a new usb disk, this shall be possible by using the correct burst address and a non used nonce number range. Correct!

    6.)
    Disk plots are independent from the mining pools?! Correct!

    Mining pool preperations:

    7.)
    I have a 1.1TB test on http://pool.burstmining.club/
    No idea if this is a promising pool but I can't get another faucet so no chance to change.
    I started the mining for a day and looked from time to time to the website. One short time I found my burst address under "Historic Shares" with 1D + 0
    1D what is due to be paid to the miner, the 0 is the amount previously paid to the miner

    I thought yeah it's running. I just did about an euro cent in a day but hey... it's working xD
    But then my entry disappeared from the website.

    Most pools payout once the amount Due > 300 Burst or if you are less than that once every 24 hours.
    So check your account balance to see if there was a payment from your pool.

    ??? It's so hard to wait if you don't know if everything is correctly set up. I agree

    8.)
    How long does it take that my burst address is shown on the pool website? Once you start mining and hit a valid deadline then it should appear. You only get paid for a deadline if your pool wins that block.

    9.)
    When can I expect the first payout? usually 24 hours (check with the pool operator to be sure)(from what you said, you earned 1 Burst at least)
    Or is it just luck and it could take weeks, months or years xD? It will take time to forge a block with 1.1TB, but it does happen. Its not a question of if, but when.

    Let's mine:

    10.)
    How long does it take until the mining app is really mining for my account?
    once you start it.

    11.)
    What happens when I close the mining app for, let's say 10 minutes or a restart?
    Is this bad for my "reputation" in the mining pool? No, but you might miss a block during the down time.

    Oh... let's let it be with this xD
    I have much more questions but this is enough for today...
    I hope somebody has the patience for some answers :-)

    thanks

    Welcome to Burst!


  • admin

    @fpdragon I think I can answer your questions, but I'm on phone at the moment and not going to even attempt it from this device. I'll post again when I can get to my laptop.



  • Oh man... Big thanks @lilkovs and @iKnow0!!!

    You made it to answer all my questions in understandable way :-D

    As an update:
    I got my first burst coin payed out to my wallet. So seems that I really configured the mining pool correctly. I just spent it to change my burst "name" to make it easier to find myself on the pool website.
    And... two brand new 8TB USB disks are on the way home.
    Let's see if I can earn more than 1Burst per day and how long it takes to get the disk costs in (220€ per disk xD)

    Here are some additional questions: xD

    12.)
    From my research I was expecting to earn about 65€ per month with a 8TB disk. That would payback the disk costs in about 4 months of burst mining.
    Right now I have 1.1TB and was mining 1Burst (1-2 € Cents).
    Should I be worried?

    13.)
    Plot optimization: I understood that it is possible to optimize burst plot files.
    Is it also possible to create the plots in an optimized format that no additional disk space is needed for optimizing?

    14.)
    To the mining pools:
    I was understanding that there are different pools with different rules. So some pay more bonuses for block winners and some will pay out winning earns more equal to the pool users?

    15.)
    Is there an overview or an recommendation which pools to use for which setup?

    16.)
    Is it relevant where the pool is located? (latency or bandwidth?)

    17.)
    I would expect it makes no sense to be in a pool where all other users have a multiple plot size than me. They would win always and I would become just my low burst amounts?
    If I understood right, I'd say that if I have won some times then my reputation (or "Share") will rise to a higher percentage and I will get a bigger part of the pie, next time an other pool user wins? Is this correct?
    So it my would make sense to find a pool where all users are having about the same plot sizes to get a very stable outcome?

    18.)
    Does the miner app read every disk plot sequential or in parallel?
    Or differently asked: Makes it sense to mix fast and slow disks or do slow disks just reduce the chance of being the first that wins? Can a slow disk delay the search on a fast disk or do they all start searching at the same time?

    Thanks, thanks, thanks!
    Very exciting topic. I am still hoping to get some money out of this. :-)


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