Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?
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@FlippyCakes said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
@Marc said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
Compared to the professionality of some other coins offering Burst Looks like a clownhouse!
Couldn't agree more. :(
I don't disagree, but there are two ways to look at it. @Marc couldn't have come onto this forum (looking at his sign up date anyway) at a more controversial time. The unprofessionalism, name calling, etc (mostly from the other side)... and yet as we sit here today the community is growing and the price is going up. 6 - 8 months ago it was much more cordial and quiet around here... but BURST's price was also at a fraction of what it is today.
Not to say the controversy is good for long term... but an optimist might say look what BURST is doing DESPITE the controversy. Imagine when thing settle down and people begin to really focus making BURST great?
I'm not a fan of BN but they can do their thing (gamers, gambling, whatever) and this side can put out it's own message on BURST. I hope the shitty behavior stops... but there's room for both... quite frankly I hope to see many more BURST sites pop up in different languages etc.
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@burst1 100% in agreement. I love BURST, but I hate what is going on.
Can't wait for all the flaflafla to be finally over and we can just have fun BURSTing.
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Does burst offer a similar function of smart contracts like ETH have?
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@burst1 said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
@Marc couldn't have come onto this forum (looking at his sign up date anyway) at a more controversial time. The unprofessionalism, name calling, etc (mostly from the other side)... and yet as we sit here today the community is growing and the price is going up.
This is true, but as a someone who only cares about development and the future of the coin, BOTH sides have acted childishly. Yeah, the insults from the other side have been more colorful and perhaps more extreme, but when a post over here calls someone over there a "fatass" and then the lead developer of the coin posts a link to the post over there to antagonize that person... yeah. Grown men do not act like that.
Maybe I'm just older than a lot of people here and have more internet (Usenet) arguments under my belt, but nothing good ever comes of name-calling and insults. You've heard the phrase "never argue with an idiot in public?" I'm not calling anyone an idiot, but if the other side wants to be childish, let them be childish by themselves. Newcomers to Burst don't care who insulted who first. Take the high road.
I still have high hopes for the coin BUT they are tainted by the last few months.
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@coventry said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
@FlippyCakes Does burst really need more mining? Has anyone estimated the cost of the hardware necessary to double-spend it?
Does Burst need more decentralization? It doesn't hurt, but I agree by no means is it critical. My point was that Burst needs more USERS.
Compared to any other coin, Burst requires less resources to mine, therefor anyone can mine. We are not taking advantage of that. Users should be able to download an app and with just a few clicks start mining and seeing a number go up on their screen.
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Ill give you an example about serious Approach what I understand:
Currently over there I see the phat phuck rambling about mentioned in some US Shows, Financial times etc - while in Fact the truth is that those mug Journos not only mentioned if for half a second only but mixed up Burst with the Mike the Mug Gamling asset. Talking about fake News, LOL.
I see a Price hike from Burst 90$ to 133$ /each 10.000 or so the last 24 hours, too bored to get the concrete numbers. Yeah, around 40%+ gain a day is nothing Special in the crypto world, I know.
Now, :
If I was a honest guy I would make things clear. If I was a Gunslinger phat phuck I would laf at all my sheeples following me, bloating about that - and silently sell them my coins as Im not interested in the Long run/developing/value whatsoever. Buy Ganja/Coca and hookers with my gains. Hhhm, that said, nothing wrong with Ganja or Hookers.. :) you get the Point.
The aim the phat phut is talking all about is to get the coin to 3000 Satoshis, then cash in BIG time. Hes good at that, dont get me wrong.
I have never heared a single word about developing the coin technically, plans what improvements are planned during the next 3-6-12 months, nothing. Its all about finding new mugs mining, creating new assets out of this and in the meantime Martingale the coin on some obscure Casino owned by themselfes, hhmm. Oh wait I forgot, with Amazon Stream, Soundcloud, Youtube, Spotify and some 1000 other vendors I forgot to mention there is the Burst RADIO out there, plus an asset of course.., already 52,31 People on average daily worldwide listen to that.. - occasionally. ( Well, not 24/7 of course, but still).
Thus and for some other reasons I avoid anything coming from These People, being assets or any other things. Been there, done that , but thats just my personal opionion.
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@Marc said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
Currently over there I see the phat phuck rambling about
Yeah, so this is exactly the kind of bullshit Burst doesn't need. Come on, man.
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@FlippyCakes I completely agree that making BURST more user friendly should be a top priority...especially for mining. Right now, the main reason to start using burst is to make money, not spend it. If you can get the average joe to install something on his computer or phone, and see BURST coins ticking up on the app, that will get people moving into burst. They would need to be connected to pools that had very small payout levels and accepted super high deadlines...but showing an increase is all that is needed. Once you get someone hooked, they will look into it more. Instead of making walkthroughs on how to use everything, can't the software just be easy to begin with?
So, an insanely simple wallet is needed. There should be a simple and an advanced wallet. Perhaps plugins for the advanced wallet to add access to other burst functions such as AE, market, escrow, crowdfunding, etc.
I have been thinking about the marketplace...I think a marketplace builder would be an excellent thing. All that you see now is a few text fields, and whatnot. Wouldn't it be possible to create something that would manage the marketplace like ebay? This would take a lot of work, but something that would design market item pages in html to make it more easy to navigate. Smart contracts to track shipping as well...
I think everything just needs to be built out...it's seemingly pretty barebones right now, and not very intuitive. Compare the AE to the exchange in the bitshares wallet...it's like Pong vs Battlefield 1.
I'm not a programmer anymore, but I understand how much work this all is. I'm not saying people have done a poor job, because all of the software that exists is great. But to reach a wider audience, things have to get "prettier" and easier.
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Just my 2 Burst..
The be and end all is the Developer Team - and how to fund it.
Competition amongst different Altcoins is HUGE, and ask yourself the question, where will Burstcoin be in 12 months, "longterm", and mind you I have spent a year in hours of my life discussing and thinking about what longterm really means.. if there is few/None/or low Devs. Right, Burstcoin will turn into a shitcoin with Traders/golddiggers left!
So the current Situation is that the Dev Team has to step up their game - as Burst offers various possibilities making it ahead of other coins - for now - and theoretically, but not realized yet.
Which lead us to the question how These guys are paid. For a Pro Coin you cannot rely forever on a handful of guys and doing their work for free. Its great and aprreciated work, but what if core developers turn away from the coin, get ill, die whatever ? Whos gonna step in - for free ?
For now, currently they rely on getting paid by Setting up their pools, issuing assets and the likes and/or selling the coins they have mined. New Devs wont be attracted to that as they dont have the opportunity to get their share by selling what they allready have mined.
On a side note, I see Major Players leaving or slowly trying getting out, mind you.
Crow (who was super good friend with the phat phuck not so Long ago..) , now have a look at what he does.: Its NOT Setting up new Petabyte Miners for Burst, but using his Burst to buy GPU miners mining whatever but not Burst. Running his assets paying out Burst, but converting them into Eth whatever. Another Qura Desaster on the way ?
Surely not, because he is issuing a YT Video every two months Smoking his pipe showing how great his Investments and efforts are (this if you can identify anything from a 100% black Screen you see, but there IS scrambled Audio, mumbling and all that, I`ll tell ya)
His another super good friend 402 Vlad the Implarer without a Name now converting his Burst asset to .. whatever currency dunno, forcing his Investors to Switch/leave or take the loss.
The main marketeer of the coin currently is a con man, former NN, involved in some very suspicious things including a Trial for murder couple of years ago. Main Players of the coin seem to have no Problem with that.
Now - ask yourself the question - is this professonally run or not ? Good enough to put your Money "longterm" into - or just for the quick buck like all others seem to do?
I have no solution for the question stated above, how to get Devs "Long" term connected to the coin and finding a way to paying them what they truly deserve.
Quick Ideas is to set up a fund where every asset owner pays a certain %Age into that, a more radical idea is
to Change the Transaction fees in a way that say 25% more or less of all fees goes not to the block owner but to dedicated Dev Team. But what do I know.
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.. every asset issuer and/or owner, wouldnt make any difference in "the Long Run", lol.
Every good idea also Needs to have someone playing the Devils Advocate, for now it seems to be me :-)
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This thread seems to have caught some attention... I haven't been able to read through all of it yet but I did notice someone mention lending through Poloniex. I think this would be a great way to gain more hodlers of Burst but logistically, we would need the volume to justify being listed on the margins trading exchange. This exchange is of course funded by the lending exchange on Poloniex.
I also had another random idea that I haven't researched much about but here it is: would there be a way to set up a voting system through smart contracts on the Burst blockchain? This way we could stake some coins again developments, progress and protocol changes. Just a quick thought to add to the discussion...
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@Marc said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
Just my 2 Burst..
The be and end all is the Developer Team - and how to fund it.
Competition amongst different Altcoins is HUGE, and ask yourself the question, where will Burstcoin be in 12 months, "longterm", and mind you I have spent a year in hours of my life discussing and thinking about what longterm really means.. if there is few/None/or low Devs. Right, Burstcoin will turn into a shitcoin with Traders/golddiggers left!
So the current Situation is that the Dev Team has to step up their game - as Burst offers various possibilities making it ahead of other coins - for now - and theoretically, but not realized yet.
Which lead us to the question how These guys are paid. For a Pro Coin you cannot rely forever on a handful of guys and doing their work for free. Its great and aprreciated work, but what if core developers turn away from the coin, get ill, die whatever ? Whos gonna step in - for free ?
For now, currently they rely on getting paid by Setting up their pools, issuing assets and the likes and/or selling the coins they have mined. New Devs wont be attracted to that as they dont have the opportunity to get their share by selling what they allready have mined.
On a side note, I see Major Players leaving or slowly trying getting out, mind you.
Crow (who was super good friend with the phat phuck not so Long ago..) , now have a look at what he does.: Its NOT Setting up new Petabyte Miners for Burst, but using his Burst to buy GPU miners mining whatever but not Burst. Running his assets paying out Burst, but converting them into Eth whatever. Another Qura Desaster on the way ?
Surely not, because he is issuing a YT Video every two months Smoking his pipe showing how great his Investments and efforts are (this if you can identify anything from a 100% black Screen you see, but there IS scrambled Audio, mumbling and all that, I`ll tell ya)
His another super good friend 402 Vlad the Implarer without a Name now converting his Burst asset to .. whatever currency dunno, forcing his Investors to Switch/leave or take the loss.
The main marketeer of the coin currently is a con man, former NN, involved in some very suspicious things including a Trial for murder couple of years ago. Main Players of the coin seem to have no Problem with that.
Now - ask yourself the question - is this professonally run or not ? Good enough to put your Money "longterm" into - or just for the quick buck like all others seem to do?
I have no solution for the question stated above, how to get Devs "Long" term connected to the coin and finding a way to paying them what they truly deserve.
Quick Ideas is to set up a fund where every asset owner pays a certain %Age into that, a more radical idea is
to Change the Transaction fees in a way that say 25% more or less of all fees goes not to the block owner but to dedicated Dev Team. But what do I know.
Not sure why you're even here with such a negative outlook? You've been here 3 weeks ...yet seem to know everything. Granted there's been some messed up crap lately but do you even know who all the developers are? Or what has been done to get to this point?
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I'd appreciate it if we could keep this thread free of bickering, and focused on ideas which have the potential to improve Burst's reach.
Having just set up a wallet, one thing which comes to mind is a service which doesn't require the user to provide their password or have a local up-to-date copy of the block chain database. I.e., something which would take locally generated transactions, and publish them to the block chain via a server. Does the burst protocol allow for that?
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@coventry said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
which comes to mind is a service which doesn't require the user to provide their password or have a local up-to-date copy of the block chain database. I.e., something which would take locally
Locally generated or any transactions are based on the passphrase which utilizes a BURST Id. If you know the burst ID you can get all the transactions without the need for a passphrase. Is that what you are looking for? You still need an up to date copy of the block chain, either locally or remotely.
-IceBurst
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@IceBurst What I would like to be able to do is create a transaction saying "send x burst to account y", sign it locally using my password, then send that signed transaction to a service with an up-to-date blockchain, for publication to the network. That way, I keep my password private, but don't need to download the blockchain to get started.
The drawback to using something like Burst team's wallet is that I need to type my password into it, and hence trust that Burst team isn't recording it. If I could just send a signed transaction, that would be much more secure.
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@coventry said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
@IceBurst What I would like to be able to do is create a transaction saying "send x burst to account y", sign it locally using my password, then send that signed transaction to a service with an up-to-date blockchain, for publication to the network. That way, I keep my password private, but don't need to download the blockchain to get started.
The drawback to using something like Burst team's wallet is that I need to type my password into it, and hence trust that Burst team isn't recording it. If I could just send a signed transaction, that would be much more secure.
This is an interesting concept, it's very likened to using a private key to encode a message to the block chain that would hold a public key to decode and process it. Burst does not have such a feature. You are correct your current choices today are one of the two.
- Maintain a local up to date copy of the blockchain so you can use the passphrase with a localized copy
- Use an online service and make the assumption they are not "stealing/storing" your passphrase.
I guess the answer is how much do you value/trust a remote site?
-IceBurst
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@IceBurst said in Is there a roadmap/desiderata for future Burstcoin development?:
I guess the answer is how much do you value/trust a remote site?
How much I trust it is maybe not the issue. The question is how much of a barrier to adoption this is / has been for people. To me, it seems like it would be an absolute deal breaker for most people, but I could be wrong.
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@burst1
"You've been here 3 weeks ...yet seem to know everything"Thanks a lot for your Input. Youre right when stating that I have set up my username at this Forum about 3 weeks ago. I started with this whole Internet sheet when Compuserve and AOL was considered the next BIG Thing and 56K US Robotics were selling for 250$ a piece lol.
But then again, I know that I know nothing.
If if was Socrates or Plato first defining this Statement..
I dont know.
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@Marc it was my good friend Socrates ;-) 300Baud my first modem...
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@coventry @IceBurst this is actually doable and i got some ideas (half of it due to something i read on NXT developements :D ) or will be doable when you guys finish next client ;) Now mind, havent tested it still but a concept in my head. Also i am uncertain of how slick the signing application can be made.
The principle is simple on maintained wallet user makes transaction with his public key (been sometime so you might not even need public key) and gets a hash (string of symbols) that he transfers to device without internet connection with signing applincation (for simplicity say wallet) where he signs the transaction and in turn gets another hash that he transfers back to maintained wallet.
The proccess sounds a bit complicated and tedious but if one desires security you got to make sacrifices :)
Thats assuming i understood what you guys were talking :)


