Should theft go unpunished?

Baron

If this guy Adam Guerbuez, and his dev sidekick has stolen thousands of dollars worth of Burstcoin from investors, should this not be deemed as a crime?

From reading the forums, there is clear evidence and documentation to link these individuals with criminal activity.

Cyber crimes, are crimes as bad as any physical crime.

Should there not be something done about this, or are you all prepared to just swallow the losses and let the criminals run free, ready to strike again?

I say fight. Don't fucking lie down and let these lowlifes get away with their heist.

FBI could be an option...

newsense2004

@Baron AFAIK US government doesn't consider crypto currency until exchanged for fiat. Correct me if I'm wrong.

cashgold

surpoted your motion,

IceBurst

@newsense2004 said in Should theft go unpunished?:

@Baron AFAIK US government doesn't consider crypto currency until exchanged for fiat. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are incorrect sir. See correct answer here.

https://www.irs.gov/uac/newsroom/irs-virtual-currency-guidance

Energy

Here I suppose that there is the same problem that with the other currencies, it is not easy to prove since the accounts are not tied to any name or address.
On the other hand I suppose that if someone is taking measures, he will not announce it here so as not to give clues

Propagandalf

@Energy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1924900.0 here is someone who claims to have proof, but it could also be a bullshitter.

Energy

@Propagandalf I already saw it.
I am not doubtful about my opinion about those interested, but a message from someone who registers just for that I do not know if my inspires a lot of confidence.
I certainly have evidence of someone committing a crime or I take them to the police and I do not say anything in public, or if I do it public I have to teach something that makes it credible

Baron

@Energy

Whether I say this in public or not is moot, those perpetrators who have committed theft should very well know that what they have done is wrong, or maybe they have no conscience.

The point I wanted to make is that there are clear records and documented evidence against these criminals.

If you have the evidence, the logs, the data, then all you need to do is pass it on to the necessary agencies and sit back, bring out the popcorn...

This AG character is already under scrutiny, is bankrupt, with a criminal record, and is known to the agencies in question.

We want Burst to survive, and to do that, you don't lie down and take it, you fight fire with fire...

NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT...

Energy

@Baron I do not think you understood me or I did not explain myself.
If I have evidence of a crime what I would do is give them to the police and if I am one of those affected file a complaint, then I could come here and warn you that they are stealing and exposing them to the public, which would not do is warn that I am Denouncing and would not give clues to what I am doing against them.

You are assuming that no one is denouncing and you may be right, but it may also be that someone is taking action and does not want to do it publicly.

It is clear that if they have stolen and there is evidence of it and it can be demonstrated it must be reported

And as I say I am not doubtful about what I think of this guy, I have not even registered in the forum nor do I use it in any way

Baron

Even if they are forewarned of any action, the evidence still stands. Time is not a factor on whether a crime was committed or not. Sooner or later the cop cars come around with their sirens blazing, and the criminals know about it.

Someone could be acting right now. I am angry at seeing injustice, and this is the reason for me posting.

ScreamIndevnull

Isn't this the real problem with crypto currency? It's the wild west. No regulation, no oversight, very much more anonymous. What makes crypto so interesting and free is also its biggest weakness -easy opportunities for people to scam, steal, manipulate, and abuse.

Honestly that weakness is what keeps crypto from really taking off. Almost everybody that trades or mines crypto knows there is a good chunk of unsavory characters involved.

Just the way I see it.

Dillion

Bringing U.S authorities into the matter with this is the worst way to go about this Imo. Imo y'all are just asking for the government to step in with rules regulations and so on. Ruining all that is good in cyrpto. Stay away from the assets they all pretty much suck donkey balls anyway. Instead of buying these assets for thousands upon thousands of coins just go get ur hard drives. My 2tb miner earns me more than over 10k shares of ccminer did.

sevencardz

The burden of proof is on the plaintiff and so you have to prove that the victims had some agreement or guarantee on the safety of their money and as far as I know, nobody signed any legally binding contract and everyone invested with full knowledge of the risk involved in investing. The fat man is not a federally insured bank. I'm not sure what you guys expected to happen with an overpriced asset and no recurring fees. A situation where the asset issuer gets all the value up front and then has no incentive to keep the asset healthy because he collects no fees should have been a huge red flag to anyone considering investing.

KitsuneKitten

theres something to be said about knowing who your dealing with, as is everything else in life, there are not so fabulous people in all parts of life, just gotta avoid them and deal with people you know, you know?

BURST-X2K5-7JG5-W724-ENLCB if you like my content or wanna help with the process ^^;

ScreamIndevnull

@Dillion said in Should theft go unpunished?:

Bringing U.S authorities into the matter with this is the worst way to go about this Imo. Imo y'all are just asking for the government to step in with rules regulations and so on. Ruining all that is good in cyrpto. Stay away from the assets they all pretty much suck donkey balls anyway. Instead of buying these assets for thousands upon thousands of coins just go get ur hard drives. My 2tb miner earns me more than over 10k shares of ccminer did.

This. But you also damn the system by saying investing in assets is a bad deal. By your own admission a $65 2TB drive will earn more.

As far as FedGovCo regulation goes... Nobody wants that, but they are moving in that direction like it or not. In 10 years crypto will be regulated and watched by at least the IRS, at worst made illegal to trade, own, buy, sell.

Dillion

@ScreamIndevnull yup, the last thing we need is people enticing them to speed up the process. BTW I can 2tb way cheaper than $65.

Baron

@Dillion said in Should theft go unpunished?:

Bringing U.S authorities into the matter with this is the worst way to go about this Imo. Imo y'all are just asking for the government to step in with rules regulations and so on. Ruining all that is good in cyrpto. Stay away from the assets they all pretty much suck donkey balls anyway. Instead of buying these assets for thousands upon thousands of coins just go get ur hard drives. My 2tb miner earns me more than over 10k shares of ccminer did.

I agree with you as far as the authorities and regulators are a serious threat to crypto...but I also believe that theft kind of sucks too...

So your reasoning is, if you had $40,000 worth of burst stolen that you mined your ass off to get..just sit back and take the hit?

Therefore in crypto land theft is just accepted, happens or it doesn't?

I suppose things like that are sorted out in the dark web where you can hire a hit man for a few BItcoins to bring justice...