Large Miner Pools discussion
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Interesting read.
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Rich I should of worded it differently. If the pools were more balanced then earnings at one pool i would be the same at another pool. Then its up to the pool operator to make his or her pool better. An equal playing field would give burst the best chance to grow. But because people do what they want regardless of the outcome there is no room for discussion. I think a 2nd ninja pool is a bad idea and thats all I have to say.
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Ok I thought up another issue. Adding another pool to Haitch cluster is a disaster waiting to happen. Why have so many pools in one place?
Like Tb the pools need to be spread out otherwise they could bottle neck and cause more forking. All that hash power in one place doesnt sound decentralized to me.
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I think in practice you have answered your own question. This is not I am afraid a "level Playing Field" World, be that Burst or anything else you care to name.
@tross said in Large Miner Pools discussion:
I think a 2nd ninja pool is a bad idea and thats all I have to say.
Hear what you say but still fail to see why one "Short Deadline" pool is better than two. However happy to stop presenting arguments as this is getting very boring and repetitive....
As to haitch's infrastructure and it's ability to support another Pool, that is an entirely different subject from the OP and not one I am qualified to comment on.
Rich
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I have been watching this network daily since August 2016 when I made my pool. The solo miners where a lot more then and if you look now they are shrinking in size. It finally dawned on them that is they mine in a groups then rewards can be better. Where did they go? Mostly to ninja or another pool with other large miners. The problem is that another ninja pool is created and when the rest come in where will they look. Solo miners make up 14% of the burst being mined so you could guess where they will look if wanting to pool mine. ccminer pool cause if has large miners and they done have to share as much as at ninja.
It just what I did last June. I was at team pool.us but rewards where getting less and less so I tried Italian pool and made a killing. The reason being there where 50 to 80 miners not in the 100's like team us. So add the 14% and maybe a couple more from ninja then you are in the top 3. Then we have 2 ninja pools with short dl only curtailing to larger than life miners. When others see you guys getting most the blocks where will they go. We had this problem once before with ninja why do it again.
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Congrats your pool is moving up! When it hits rank 3 then you will see smaller pools falter. Helping consolidating all the large miners in the top 3 pools is a brilliant move! My respects earning will be a killer I just hope for your sake when people leave the burst price stays up. This isnt btc drive off the small miners and burst will die. I give burst another 6 months then will start to go down because of greed.
If 70% to 90% of the blocks go to 3 pools what will happen to the others. Why couldnt we of spread this hash rate out? Why didnt we groom this coin before milking it out. Congrats on your success hope you get what you deserve!
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@tross once again I'll say it, this is not about milking the coin, it's trying to create an alternative to ninja so that the hashing power DOES get distributed more. Currently there is one pool with getting close to 51% of the hashing power of the network. If you have a better idea of how to get miners to distribute themselves over different pools, let me know - I'm open to all ideas.
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not sure what kind of mining power Tross pool has but i know you have been promoting it with lots of diff idea's , with the Burst bash , and asset raffle pot. the big thing i have seen is there are alot of miners that have been around for a wile that are 100% ninja style only people and they do not like the Uray / lex pool's for some reason. i know tec over the long run there should be no differance betwen the two but i can tell you that betwen the two pool styles i always earn more coin when i forge a block on a ninja pool , but i also always earn more coin from historic % when on a Lex style pool. im not sure what the differance betwen the two is and how they brake down the payouts but from my personal exp on a ninja pool when i am the winer of the block i always get 1000+ coin depending on next closest DL on tross pool and lex pool when i win a block i have never goten more than 700 coin... but when i dont forge any blocks at all witch can be a week or so at a time. on average i earn 260ish coins on ninja pools a day vs 330ish on lex pools a day. i would love to see @tross advertising his pool more on both forums and draw more people in. currently there are mass amounts of new people just geting started on the nation forums and there are only 3 pools being promoted on there forums 2 of witch are massive pools already. i do however like that they are promoting Pingofdeath's pool because its a new start up and sending people to his pool will help in spreading the mining power out.
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This is what I see playing out. CCminer pool is moving slowly up with 16 miners. When other large miner wake up they will say hey I can earn more there! I get this idea from experience! I went from Team US last May or June to a small pool that was also getting blocks and made a killing. So I see a migration to his pool. So yea the 51% is gone but really it isnt. Now you will have 3 ninja pools getting most of everything. You dont think my large miners will stay at my pool if I get 2 blocks a day lol
I ask for a pool cap on tb size. Make the large miners go solo or move around! I know this is a free world but what is good for burst. Wouldnt a large miner earn more if burst went up? Burst isnt so large and popular to alienate the small guy.
I say if this continues you will kill off the rest of the pools. Where are all those little and medium miners going? I suppose a welfare pool will be started for handouts lol Just watch the NW Observer you can watch it play out.
Dont do nothing haitch you guys showed me in other post I am embarrassing myself for telling the truth. 16 miners are out mining over 500 and that just 2 pools. Milking the coin = putting all large miners together with low target deadline to keep out the small guy <<<<<that is a burst promotion folks help him out (if you have more than 50tb that is)
You beat around the bush! Which mean you dont care!
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Ninja isnt much better but I dont see 51%. They have so 4% more than rank 2.
Why dont we just open the pools to everyone? Get rid of target deadlines!
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I thought we opened a thread for this general Pool discussion?
https://forums.burst-team.us/topic/4730/large-miner-pools-discussion
@haitch Can you please move this latest repetitive outburst from @tross to where it belongs and leave this thread for the ccminer discussion.
Thanks
Rich
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@RichBC He brought up ninja not me. I just showed him the 51% he was talking about.
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I moved the posts here.
I also see big improvements in the mining power distributions compared to a month ago. The two biggest pools run by the same group of people are now farer away from 50%
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BEHOLD pool.ccminer.net:8080 the next ninja pool! same shit different name! Love them 24 hr deadline great for the growth of Burst!
Wait some more what I said will come true lol
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@tross don't get why all the pools can't be at unlimited DLs though
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@HiDevin I cant either but there are other people that think segregation is the answer.
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@tross said in Large Miner Pools discussion:
@HiDevin I cant either but there are other people that think segregation is the answer.
In theory you want to separate pools into max users. That way one pool diesbt control the entire network.
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@manfromafar How the heck you come up with that? Dropping the deadline target aint going to make 1 pool take over the entire network. The more miners you have the more they have to share. It would get to the point they will go somewhere else where they earn more. Ok then you tell me what good is a 24hr deadline? What does it achieve?





