Why haitch verified Kids for issuing assets? or its any misunderstanding going on!!

iKnow0

@dvndr007 @haitch only ever did identity verification, age verification is a completely different issue. Maybe you are confused with the language barrier. However it would be good to know the age and country of anyone issuing an asset.

Lexicon

@iKnow0 how is it verifying identity when your not verifying someones age. technically someones age is a part of their identity as well as location. poloniex wants my age to go with my proof of identity. this is key information for a dox

hydrok

I really don't think @haitch should be blamed for anything of this. He has verified the identity of these kids, nothing more and nothing less. I think that It's in the investors' interest to actually ask the asset "owner/starter" these kinds of questions before investing.

Let us learn something from this instead, if you're an investor you can ask these kinds of questions yourself, don't blame others.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is there a rule that says that underage can't start an asset? And in the future @haitch could maybe verify if the asset starter is over the age of 18 also, and if an asset starter is underage that should be stated in the asset thread itself.

iKnow0

@Lexicon I agree, but as I stated previously an age verification process was never offered as there is currently no age limit. One might have infered it to be the case, but the assumption would have been wrong as was the case with @dvndr007. Every culture in the world has different ideas as to what an adult is some its 13 some its 21, Burst is a global project so one must adjust to a global mindset.

Zeus

All I'm going to say is, haitch knew they were kids because of the verification and it's important for all of us to have this information.

The risk of sending our hard earned money to kids is just too high!

iKnow0

@Zeus The core issue is there is no "code of practice" for issuing assets, I suggested this before as an option to help stop people being caught up in scams. I would welcome it if there was one.

potkas

@Lexicon well lexicon to be honest no . Most of them cant read but a 6 year old is in theory able to do that! I did my answer up until now in your style... Looking for holes in your question and not giving an answer to the real question... Please try not to focus on finding a way how to disagree and misunderstand my answer! And if you want to know if i think its good. Then no its not ! But how on earth would you stop them? Only way is mandatory verification of identity but people do not like that idea! And this is not the problem of burst or this forum but the problem of the crypto world! You think burstnation is safe of this? What if a 15-16 years old will verify with hes parents identity without their knowledge and approval? So if you want to address problems, then start being cooperative! And start trying to give good ideas not just spitting and blaming at everyone around you and giving questions but no answers at all! Maybe try to help instead of trying to break the community...

Energy

where we are??? I think on the internet.

If a 5 year old boy is ruined playing on the internet it is clearly the parents' fault for not knowing what his child is doing.
On the other hand I do not think that a 5 year old boy has a paypal account to buy burst, or btc or whatever or have money to buy equipment to mine.

A child of 14 or 15 at least here in Spain can already work and have his own company legally, now it depends on the consumer if you trust him or not.

I am going to ask that no asset be accepted while @haitch is not going to personally meet the person responsible for the asset ;)

In the various posts I have seen that you ask for information about how the asset is invested and other things, because whoever asks the age and if you do not trust that you do not invest, I think nobody is forced to invest.

Someone can assure me that someone of 20, 30 or 40 years is not going to defraud me ??? I have lost a lot of money in mtgox and the person in charge was not 15 years old.

But as I say the most important thing is that nobody is forced to anything if you do not trust an asset do not invest no matter if the user 15 or 40 years, both can rip you off

dvndr007

@haitch said in Why haitch verified Kids for issuing assets? or its any misunderstanding going on!!:

the community didn't want censorship of who could provide an asset - therefore, anyone can

sir if this is the decission of the community then its not your mistake you did your job but its kindof change in rules required now and rules should be changed if it doesnt work minors cant carry that responsibility so i request give my vote to change it and apply age verification and i am worried what kindof worst decisions taken by community in past one asset include many investors many have to pay for that any asset can be a scam but we should do the best we can do !! and like this allowing kids to take that big resposibility means we encouraging more scams!!

and sir that logo means alot investors cant get that information that you have so investor cant investigate anything no one tell right information in chating i request to edit it in evrification process Thankyou!!

potkas

@Zeus I as an investor i always research assets before investing ! If its a new asset then i go and look around and ask questions! If i became scammed by a kid after investing in hes asset its only my fault... Im not saying it would be a bad idea to try and do something against kids and scammers opening assets but you just can guarantee that! But yes it would be good if someone is id verified then as well verify hes age in the future! But still i believe its your responsibility as an investor to find out who you make business with!

Energy

@Zeus said in Why haitch verified Kids for issuing assets? or its any misunderstanding going on!!:

All I'm going to say is, he knew they were kids because of the verification, he should at least tell them to say it in the posts.

The risk of sending our hard earned money to kids is just too high!

Ask you age verification to play in your casino ???

They ask the age verification pool to accept miners ???

In poloniex that I know I have not been asked to justify my age, I do not know if they ask to operate in euros or dollars that is not the case here.

Or it asks for age verification for everything, not only for what interests us or if it is not still the responsibility of the investor to investigate what he thinks necessary and decide whether to trust or not

Lexicon

@potkas im unsure what your accusing here. i just posted my opinion and now im getting blasted for it?

im not trying to break this community anyone who knows me would know im looking out for community members.

thanks for letting me know but i dont respect being called un-cooperative when i was merely putting forward my 2 burst.

i dont post here anywhere enough as i used to due to the fear i would be categorized into the category of fanboy. and you can clearly see im looking out for the kids as well as the investors when i said all this.

im here putting ideas of what should be done and if thats uncooperative i might as well not post here cause i dont know what is

its up the OP what is and isn't appropriate to post here.

in normal law anyone who is under the age of 16 needs their parents and gaurdians permission to open a brokerage account. why shouldn't this be any different?

theres something called moral's and the moral thing to do in line with all legislation on this matter is to follow what is already law on similar platforms. (SEC rules on trading, money laundering) and allowing promotion of an asset by a minor would normally be a felony however because a blockchain is decentralized im unsure how that fits here.

in a court of law this could be charged with conspiracy and the delinquency of a minor

but those last few things i aint 100% sure on.

im disappointed to meet this sort of resistance when im trying to do things for the greater good

potkas

@Lexicon you are saying something but doing the opposite... Show me one idea you shared with us how to deal with this... I can see only criticism from your side. And im not accusing you im just saying how it looks what you are doing...

Zeus

@Energy to be a miner you don't need age verification because you are not sending hard earned money, the miner is earning that money. Not the same thing at all, and yes, when we suspect a user is underage, we instantly ban them and do an age verification research if they want to be back.

Anyway, I don't care, I don't own any of these assets because I never trust a new member that doesn't have anything to show, I just think, and as @potkas says, this is a thing to considerate while approving an asset.

Anyone can create assets, but if they are verified members it would be good if they post this information or haitch can say in his thread "Member approved, underage."

Lexicon

i personally would rather have a safeguard in place to protect children from setting up assets on there own

if i was an investor knowing the age (if they are under age) would be information invaluable to a decision in investing in any asset

i wouldn't want my kids taking thousands of thousands of pounds from people on the internet, without my knowledge

the rest of it is just my opinion. .

all ive seen thus far is you picking apart mine and other peoples opinions on the situation. and the false accusation of me blaming haitch for something when i wasn't.

@dvndr007 do you or anyone else in this thread have a problem with anything ive posted? or share the same opinion. id like to know. cause right now it feels like im being targeted simply for being affiliated with burstnation. i only came here to post about my asset div's and place my opinion on this. i wasnt expecting this.

potkas

@Lexicon No one is being attacked just for being affiliated with burst nation... from the 3 sentences you added the first is a wish with no possibility to do so or you have an idea how it would be possible to do so? With the second one everyone agrees but again how would you do it? And again the 3 one just like in the second how to stop it? And no it was not you blaming haitch you just supported someones post blaming haitch...

nameless

@Lexicon said in Why haitch verified Kids for issuing assets? or its any misunderstanding going on!!:

@dvndr007 do you or anyone else in this thread have a problem with anything ive posted? or share the same opinion. id like to know. cause right now it feels like im being targeted simply for being affiliated with burstnation. i only came here to post about my asset div's and place my opinion on this. i wasnt expecting this.

sorry lex, couldn't help myself..it had to be done

Energy

@Zeus
When I put the example of the pool is perfectly that is an exaggeration and I do not mean what the miner mining, if not what the pool earns by the miners minors, and as I say is an exaggeration and I know that I do not know You can ask for the age in the pool.

But I see that you are not interested in the first thing I ask you and that I want to make it clear that it is not a personal attack against you but that it is what I think of all the casinos, Dice, etc. Does anyone ask to verify age ?? Does anyone care that anyone who loses their money is underage ???

Anyone here can assure me that someone verified and of age will not defraud me ????

It is more difficult, correct, but not infallible

nixxda

easy now!-) @everbody! there is nothing here to start a shouting match on!

I for my part, dont mind at all investing in someone underage if he comes up with an good Idea and has a plan!
I'd even encourage young people to get involved and come up with a thought out business model!
Still I'd like to know with what "age" I'm dealing with. Because he or she is going to have some real world legal restrictions if underage! And the size of an Asset matters!

The simplest solution to this I see is to ask @haitch if he can mark the verification's as "underage"?! I guess the Info should be there if they send him a ID copy or something similar?
Is this possible?

Lexicon

@potkas
once again i was only posting my opinion. how you took that is down to you. no one else has bit on what i posted. and started calling me uncooperative.

all im saying is i support the original poster that theirs a problem and now your picking apart my conversation even more

i havnt a clue whats possible. i aint admin here and i dont over see the block chain. its not in my power to make these decisions but if it was my decision i would simply not allow the promotion of an asset on my platform. by a minor

why

cause it could be illegal.

ALL rules around brokerage and stock exchanges and assets for that matter require you to be over the age of 18 in some country's less. and if you are less you need your parents and guardians signature and information. now i fail to see how the asset exchange is any different.