Why haitch verified Kids for issuing assets? or its any misunderstanding going on!!
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Y'all know by now that i don't like to take sides in these discussions...
However, this time i will make a small exception and make a comment : take a look at the Helium asset. The next release was supposed to be 25 burst per share and yet the kid(?) dumped a ton at 15 and is still selling ever since ...even now. That is no bueno!
Sad part for me is that i told Mr Grey just a few days back to look into this asset, and he even bought some. Mr Grey is angry...i don't like an angry Mr Grey, especially when directed at me :D
My point is that as soon as the issuer of Helium was exposed, he panic dumped A LOT of his asset...
I want to remain neutral so i'll say this as my final words:
@haitch , keep on doing what you're doing, but please consider warning people when minors get verified and start issuing assets from now on. You're not to blame for what is happening now, but you will in the future if this doesn't change
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@potkas i havnt blame anyone for this. and never mentioned H's name once. im just pointing out the obvious.
i never said Haitch should take responsibility for the casino underage users either. however what could be worrying is if these casinos get shut down due to a kid using them thats another asset thats going to get shutdown.
please see the logic in my response. so your saying that a kid of 5 years old can come on here. and start up an asset with no verification from the parents. and the asset issuers being told nothing about this?
why should investors be left in the dark on this as well. they are paying good money for an asset they need to believe in. the logic in this is flawed. im sure @IceBurst will have his worries about this as well
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@dvndr007 As previously discussed when I proposed making ID Verification mandatory, there was a strong push back on the idea - the community didn't want censorship of who could provide an asset - therefore, anyone can.
The Verified status merely indicates that the person has provided verifiable identity information - it's not a comment on the validity of the asset being issued or the ability of the person to maintain the asset. You still need to do your own research on the asset - ID Verified does not indicate the validity of the asset, only the identity of the issuer.
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@rnahlawi Sir first i m not blaming haitch with respect haitch had done great work for community i appritiate that questioning is not blaming dont take it in wrong way i questioned in both forums i questioned nation admins too but their are lot of investors who invested and they dont know they invested on assets runned by kids haitch doing his job and did it great in best way he can if someone is haitch verified we trust him blindly!!
15 yr old kids using haitch logo maybe haitch missed something or something we dont know just want to know thats it nothing else dont take everything as an attack i am a simple member and investor here and there nothing else why i attack where i invest, the coin i choose to invest may be you take it in wrong way~
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@nameless I agree and if it is know they are a minor which is under 18 yrs or under 21 yrs depending on your country/state then it should be stated on the OP, No its not Hiatch's responsibility and as it is said anyone can launch a asset, but I agree that if they are know to be a minor then it should be stated, some kids have more brains than alot of people in cryptos, so not to dismiss that they might have a great plan or idea!! As for me Im just old!!
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@dvndr007 @haitch only ever did identity verification, age verification is a completely different issue. Maybe you are confused with the language barrier. However it would be good to know the age and country of anyone issuing an asset.
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@iKnow0 how is it verifying identity when your not verifying someones age. technically someones age is a part of their identity as well as location. poloniex wants my age to go with my proof of identity. this is key information for a dox
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I really don't think @haitch should be blamed for anything of this. He has verified the identity of these kids, nothing more and nothing less. I think that It's in the investors' interest to actually ask the asset "owner/starter" these kinds of questions before investing.
Let us learn something from this instead, if you're an investor you can ask these kinds of questions yourself, don't blame others.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is there a rule that says that underage can't start an asset? And in the future @haitch could maybe verify if the asset starter is over the age of 18 also, and if an asset starter is underage that should be stated in the asset thread itself.
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@Lexicon I agree, but as I stated previously an age verification process was never offered as there is currently no age limit. One might have infered it to be the case, but the assumption would have been wrong as was the case with @dvndr007. Every culture in the world has different ideas as to what an adult is some its 13 some its 21, Burst is a global project so one must adjust to a global mindset.
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All I'm going to say is, haitch knew they were kids because of the verification and it's important for all of us to have this information.
The risk of sending our hard earned money to kids is just too high!
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@Zeus The core issue is there is no "code of practice" for issuing assets, I suggested this before as an option to help stop people being caught up in scams. I would welcome it if there was one.
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@Lexicon well lexicon to be honest no . Most of them cant read but a 6 year old is in theory able to do that! I did my answer up until now in your style... Looking for holes in your question and not giving an answer to the real question... Please try not to focus on finding a way how to disagree and misunderstand my answer! And if you want to know if i think its good. Then no its not ! But how on earth would you stop them? Only way is mandatory verification of identity but people do not like that idea! And this is not the problem of burst or this forum but the problem of the crypto world! You think burstnation is safe of this? What if a 15-16 years old will verify with hes parents identity without their knowledge and approval? So if you want to address problems, then start being cooperative! And start trying to give good ideas not just spitting and blaming at everyone around you and giving questions but no answers at all! Maybe try to help instead of trying to break the community...
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where we are??? I think on the internet.
If a 5 year old boy is ruined playing on the internet it is clearly the parents' fault for not knowing what his child is doing.
On the other hand I do not think that a 5 year old boy has a paypal account to buy burst, or btc or whatever or have money to buy equipment to mine.A child of 14 or 15 at least here in Spain can already work and have his own company legally, now it depends on the consumer if you trust him or not.
I am going to ask that no asset be accepted while @haitch is not going to personally meet the person responsible for the asset ;)
In the various posts I have seen that you ask for information about how the asset is invested and other things, because whoever asks the age and if you do not trust that you do not invest, I think nobody is forced to invest.
Someone can assure me that someone of 20, 30 or 40 years is not going to defraud me ??? I have lost a lot of money in mtgox and the person in charge was not 15 years old.
But as I say the most important thing is that nobody is forced to anything if you do not trust an asset do not invest no matter if the user 15 or 40 years, both can rip you off
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@haitch said in Why haitch verified Kids for issuing assets? or its any misunderstanding going on!!:
the community didn't want censorship of who could provide an asset - therefore, anyone can
sir if this is the decission of the community then its not your mistake you did your job but its kindof change in rules required now and rules should be changed if it doesnt work minors cant carry that responsibility so i request give my vote to change it and apply age verification and i am worried what kindof worst decisions taken by community in past one asset include many investors many have to pay for that any asset can be a scam but we should do the best we can do !! and like this allowing kids to take that big resposibility means we encouraging more scams!!
and sir that logo means alot investors cant get that information that you have so investor cant investigate anything no one tell right information in chating i request to edit it in evrification process Thankyou!!
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@Zeus I as an investor i always research assets before investing ! If its a new asset then i go and look around and ask questions! If i became scammed by a kid after investing in hes asset its only my fault... Im not saying it would be a bad idea to try and do something against kids and scammers opening assets but you just can guarantee that! But yes it would be good if someone is id verified then as well verify hes age in the future! But still i believe its your responsibility as an investor to find out who you make business with!
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@Zeus said in Why haitch verified Kids for issuing assets? or its any misunderstanding going on!!:
All I'm going to say is, he knew they were kids because of the verification, he should at least tell them to say it in the posts.
The risk of sending our hard earned money to kids is just too high!
Ask you age verification to play in your casino ???
They ask the age verification pool to accept miners ???
In poloniex that I know I have not been asked to justify my age, I do not know if they ask to operate in euros or dollars that is not the case here.
Or it asks for age verification for everything, not only for what interests us or if it is not still the responsibility of the investor to investigate what he thinks necessary and decide whether to trust or not
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@potkas im unsure what your accusing here. i just posted my opinion and now im getting blasted for it?
im not trying to break this community anyone who knows me would know im looking out for community members.
thanks for letting me know but i dont respect being called un-cooperative when i was merely putting forward my 2 burst.
i dont post here anywhere enough as i used to due to the fear i would be categorized into the category of fanboy. and you can clearly see im looking out for the kids as well as the investors when i said all this.
im here putting ideas of what should be done and if thats uncooperative i might as well not post here cause i dont know what is
its up the OP what is and isn't appropriate to post here.
in normal law anyone who is under the age of 16 needs their parents and gaurdians permission to open a brokerage account. why shouldn't this be any different?
theres something called moral's and the moral thing to do in line with all legislation on this matter is to follow what is already law on similar platforms. (SEC rules on trading, money laundering) and allowing promotion of an asset by a minor would normally be a felony however because a blockchain is decentralized im unsure how that fits here.
in a court of law this could be charged with conspiracy and the delinquency of a minor
but those last few things i aint 100% sure on.
im disappointed to meet this sort of resistance when im trying to do things for the greater good
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@Lexicon you are saying something but doing the opposite... Show me one idea you shared with us how to deal with this... I can see only criticism from your side. And im not accusing you im just saying how it looks what you are doing...
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@Energy to be a miner you don't need age verification because you are not sending hard earned money, the miner is earning that money. Not the same thing at all, and yes, when we suspect a user is underage, we instantly ban them and do an age verification research if they want to be back.
Anyway, I don't care, I don't own any of these assets because I never trust a new member that doesn't have anything to show, I just think, and as @potkas says, this is a thing to considerate while approving an asset.
Anyone can create assets, but if they are verified members it would be good if they post this information or haitch can say in his thread "Member approved, underage."
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i personally would rather have a safeguard in place to protect children from setting up assets on there ownif i was an investor knowing the age (if they are under age) would be information invaluable to a decision in investing in any asseti wouldn't want my kids taking thousands of thousands of pounds from people on the internet, without my knowledgethe rest of it is just my opinion. .
all ive seen thus far is you picking apart mine and other peoples opinions on the situation. and the false accusation of me blaming haitch for something when i wasn't.
@dvndr007 do you or anyone else in this thread have a problem with anything ive posted? or share the same opinion. id like to know. cause right now it feels like im being targeted simply for being affiliated with burstnation. i only came here to post about my asset div's and place my opinion on this. i wasnt expecting this.


