gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser
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@MikeMike you are correct, I have no idea what it is you "do behind the scenes." Helping most definitely is not one of those things though as it appears you have no problem enabling yet another scammer to "get away with it" while having the power to do something about it. Your reasoning is flawed, you have his information and in the end it is irrelevant how you obtained it...this is how bad guys get caught in the end...people sharing information for a common good. What is gpedro going to tell you differently here to change your mind? Is this not obviously a scam to you or do you think it is alright what little Jack has done here?
Whatever sympathy for "family problems" our poor Jack may have had is wiped away by his past as well continued attempts to scam investors with this Asset. I can only imagine how much he is laughing right now.
Simply pathetic.
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@AndrewDD said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@MikeMike you are correct, I have no idea what it is you "do behind the scenes." Helping most definitely is not one of those things though as it appears you have no problem enabling yet another scammer to "get away with it" while having the power to do something about it. Your reasoning is flawed, you have his information and in the end it is irrelevant how you obtained it...this is how bad guys get caught in the end...people sharing information for a common good. What is gpedro going to tell you differently here to change your mind? Is this not obviously a scam to you or do you think it is alright what little Jack has done here?
Whatever sympathy for "family problems" our poor Jack may have had is wiped away by his past as well continued attempts to scam investors with this Asset. I can only imagine how much he is laughing right now.
Simply pathetic.
May I ask how old you are?
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@MikeMike
Do you think Jack is a criminal or not?
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@emcb said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@MikeMike
Do you think Jack is a criminal or not?Even if he is I will carry out the consideration of my involvement in this situation carefully.
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@MikeMike
I don't quite understand. Yes or no?
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@emcb said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@MikeMike
I don't quite understand. Yes or no?I'm not nor will I be put in the place of a judge, jury and executioner.
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@MikeMike said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@emcb said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@MikeMike
I don't quite understand. Yes or no?I'm not nor will I be put in the place of a judge, jury and executioner.
Well. I'll try to ask the question differently.
Do you think that Jack stole the assets of investors and deceived them? Or such was not?
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@AndrewDD said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@MikeMike you are correct, I have no idea what it is you "do behind the scenes." Helping most definitely is not one of those things though as it appears you have no problem enabling yet another scammer to "get away with it" while having the power to do something about it. Your reasoning is flawed, you have his information and in the end it is irrelevant how you obtained it...this is how bad guys get caught in the end...people sharing information for a common good. What is gpedro going to tell you differently here to change your mind? Is this not obviously a scam to you or do you think it is alright what little Jack has done here?
Whatever sympathy for "family problems" our poor Jack may have had is wiped away by his past as well continued attempts to scam investors with this Asset. I can only imagine how much he is laughing right now.
Simply pathetic.
Slow your role here partner. While I have no vested interest in this battle either way please recall "Jack" is a minor. You might want to read this legal site before you take or ask anyone to take any actions.
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/publishing-personal-and-private-information
-IceBurst
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No matter what @MikeMike thinks, he is not responsible for the forum or the asset nor cheated on anyone. I in his place knowing the address of @JackManMania also would not publish it among other things because it would be illegal in my country.
I think you're holding hands
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Here is my "edited post" but chose to post it here since you replied while I was editing it.
I'm not nor will I be put in the place of a judge, jury and executioner nor am I
obligated to do anything in this situation.
You/We are dealing with a Minor here.
I have a signed legal doc, an NDA accompanied by one of Jack's Legal Guardians approval and signatures.
It is not something that can be dispensed at whim because of a financial loss on peoples part.
There are many things I can't do under the circumstances but am considering what actions I can take to help.
What is needed here is patience on the part of those who either lost funds or are concerned
so please don't hound nor harass me with ill conceived posts. (not directed at you)...And thanks @IceBurst for your post.
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@Energy said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
No matter what @MikeMike thinks, he is not responsible for the forum or the asset nor cheated on anyone. I in his place knowing the address of @JackManMania also would not publish it among other things because it would be illegal in my country.
I think you're holding hands
Do not forget that harboring a criminal is also a crime in most countries (if you are not a close relative)!
If Jack is a minor, it is necessary to publish information about those legal responsible (parents, guardians), to allow investors to contact them directly to resolve the issue.@MikeMike said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
There are many things I can't do under the circumstances but am considering what actions I can take to help.
If you are trying to solve this issue, then please keep us informed of events.
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@emcb I think it is a bit wrong, one thing is for the police to come to my house or a judge and I conceal a criminal or even it is me who gets the data to a police station and another is that I inform anyone who comes to my house.
Another very different thing is that if I feel defrauded and I want to denounce can request by private message that data to whom it corresponds
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@emcb said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@Energy said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
No matter what @MikeMike thinks, he is not responsible for the forum or the asset nor cheated on anyone. I in his place knowing the address of @JackManMania also would not publish it among other things because it would be illegal in my country.
I think you're holding hands
Do not forget that harboring a criminal is also a crime in most countries (if you are not a close relative)!
If Jack is a minor, it is necessary to publish information about those legal responsible (parents, guardians), to allow investors to contact them directly to resolve the issue.@MikeMike said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
There are many things I can't do under the circumstances but am considering what actions I can take to help.
If you are trying to solve this issue, then please keep us informed of events.
I am more than willing to cooperate with Law Enforcement whenever that time should come.
The accusations being thrown around are immature.
Once gpedro contacts me things could have an opportunity to move forward of whatever involvement I choose to take but if these posts continue I might just remove myself from this entire situation till I receive notice from Law Enforcement.Sincerely,
MikeMike
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@MikeMike you certainly may ask my age, why is it relevant though? I am looking for an answer to where the proceeds from this asset went and since gpedro claims that Jack is the only one who can provide the answers then I believe he or his legal guardian owes the investors who have lost funds an explanation. Simple. No one is asking you to be judge, jury or executioner here; just use the information you claim to have to open a line of communication with a responsible guardian or give the information to a responsible party who will.
That Jack was/is a minor was not disclosed when this investment was listed so I think it is fair to demand an answer. That you have an NDA signed with a legal guardian of Jack's does not prohibit you from acting and/or turning the information over to an appropriate authority since you are now aware that a fraud has been committed. NDA's do not protect against fraud! @IceBurst ...thanks for the refresher link though I still do not know exactly what jurisdiction our friend Jack resides in...I understand he resides in the United Kingdom where the disclosure laws are different than in the U.S.. Further, read the guidelines in the link you sent...in general the exposing of Jack's/legal guardian information in response to his defrauding investors here would be perfectly legitimate as it would be done in the public interest to prevent further damage to others; let's not forget that as we write here Jack is still actively trying to defraud potential investors with his scam. In any case though you are correct that in general it is never appropriate to release the private details of a minor in any jurisdiction; it is permissable though to release/utilize the details of a declared legal guardian responsible for the actions of the minor which in this case @MikeMike claims he has.
@MikeMike :I can see further debate of this will go nowhere so I only hope that gpedro can persuade you to take some kind of beneficial action as it will speak volumes not just for those investors who have lost here but also for future investors looking to invest in other assets in the BURST community.
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@AndrewDD said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@MikeMike you certainly may ask my age, why is it relevant though? I am looking for an answer to where the proceeds from this asset went and since gpedro claims that Jack is the only one who can provide the answers then I believe he or his legal guardian owes the investors who have lost funds an explanation. Simple. No one is asking you to be judge, jury or executioner here; just use the information you claim to have to open a line of communication with a responsible guardian or give the information to a responsible party who will.
That Jack was/is a minor was not disclosed when this investment was listed so I think it is fair to demand an answer. That you have an NDA signed with a legal guardian of Jack's does not prohibit you from acting and/or turning the information over to an appropriate authority since you are now aware that a fraud has been committed. NDA's do not protect against fraud! @IceBurst ...thanks for the refresher link though I still do not know exactly what jurisdiction our friend Jack resides in...I understand he resides in the United Kingdom where the disclosure laws are different than in the U.S.. Further, read the guidelines in the link you sent...in general the exposing of Jack's/legal guardian information in response to his defrauding investors here would be perfectly legitimate as it would be done in the public interest to prevent further damage to others; let's not forget that as we write here Jack is still actively trying to defraud potential investors with his scam. In any case though you are correct that in general it is never appropriate to release the private details of a minor in any jurisdiction; it is permissable though to release/utilize the details of a declared legal guardian responsible for the actions of the minor which in this case @MikeMike claims he has.
@MikeMike :I can see further debate of this will go nowhere so I only hope that gpedro can persuade you to take some kind of beneficial action as it will speak volumes not just for those investors who have lost here but also for future investors looking to invest in other assets in the BURST community.
Do you actually think you are motivating me?
Looks like you are just starting to "get it".
Keep at it and in time you will figure it all out.
There is no need for you, anyone else here nor gpedro to persuade me and
I am besides myself how I had been treated here as one who is trying to help in this situation
which is why "age, experience and wisdom as well as critical thinking ability" is a factor...
Let alone I had helped gpedro see the need to get together the facts properly to make this thread.
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@MikeMike To begin with, I am definitely not trying to motivate you, doing the right thing should just come naturally. Second...can you expand on what it is exactly that I am just starting to get? A bit vague for a simpleton like me I suppose... let me try though... if you are "besides yourself" with the way you think you are being treated then it is obvious to me that you are the one who needs to supply your age here, not me . You are simply too thin-skinned if you think what is being asked of you is meant as an insult on your person. The information you admit you possess demands action, nothing more. I suspect you would know this if you had the very benefit of "age, experience and wisdom" along with just a bit of "critical-thinking ability" that you seem to assume is lacking in me.
Did I "get it"?
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@AndrewDD said in gpedro's Letter to the community about BBrowser:
@MikeMike To begin with, I am definitely not trying to motivate you, doing the right thing should just come naturally. Second...can you expand on what it is exactly that I am just starting to get? A bit vague for a simpleton like me I suppose... let me try though... if you are "besides yourself" with the way you think you are being treated then it is obvious to me that you are the one who needs to supply your age here, not me . You are simply too thin-skinned if you think what is being asked of you is meant as an insult on your person. The information you admit you possess demands action, nothing more. I suspect you would know this if you had the very benefit of "age, experience and wisdom" along with just a bit of "critical-thinking ability" that you seem to assume is lacking in me.
Did I "get it"?
I'm sure everyone else "gets it" about you as well.
Nice job at outing yourself.
(.)Be well...
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@MikeMike ..same to you
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not sure if cookies are in order here... but then again, the condition was to make a meaningful comment, so i guess it qualifies
