Regarding the recent theft of Burst accounts

[damncourier]

@rds said in Regarding the recent theft of Burst accounts:

To me the key to generating private keys for any wallet is randomness. The feedstock to the hashing machine has to be truly random to resist brute force attack.

hence the problem with user provided input to the hash. the default is 1626 word list, with 12 word phrase. the word choice is fed by 128 bits from javascript crypto module (or 512 mouse samples for older IE which don't support crypto)
https://github.com/burst-team/burstcoin/blob/master/html/ui/js/crypto/passphrasegenerator.js#L45

1626^12 is a lot but additional (or different) random might be better. comes to the differences between 1626^12 and the full 2^256 (which i think are pretty close)

anyway i am sure python has sha2 and curve25519 modules.
https://pypi.python.org/pypi/curve25519-donna

as the wallet tells you safer with the public key on the block chain. i believe that you can use burst api to sign a transaction on non-networked hardware and take the result to be broadcast with out providing the passphrase.

[AngryChicken]

@rds So to put in perspective how many passwords can be generated by a list of 1626 words in a 12 word combination, the number would be
341,543,870,028,173,427,817,970,975,906,355,941,376
or
341 undecillion
which can be broken down into
341 billion billion billion billion

Now for a look at the account address:
with a combination of 16 of 36 chars (numbers and alpha) the equation would look like this 36^16
which looks like this in integer from
7,958,661,109,946,400,884,391,936
or
7 septillion
which can be broken down into
7 million billion billion

At first glance you may notice the first equation has much higher output which also may lead you to believe that their must be an over lap somewhere or not enough addresses for passphrases, but you'd be wrong.
You see there are only 7,483,400,959 people in the world. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

This means that each person on the planet today gets ~1,063,565,563,269,597 Accounts to them selves.
or
This means that each person on the planet today gets ~45,642,639,319,547,431,219,827,739,664 Passphrases to them selves.

This also showcases that the chance for replication is less than the chance of a new generated key by a factor of billions. This doesn't mean that it's impossible but more likely than not a simple check to make sure the account isn't in use is made.

Big Thanks to http://www.wolframalpha.com/ for crunching this numbers as normal computer programs can't handle the task due to insufficient numeric memory allocation

[Miky]

Can someone give me a link with this wordlist?

[AngryChicken]

@Miky You can find it in the Burst program folder it's a .js file

Edit: I pulled them out for you;

String[] words = { "like", "just", "love", "know", "never", "want", "time", "out", "there", "make", "look", "eye", "down", "only", "think", "heart", "back", "then", "into", "about", "more", "away", "still", "them", "take", "thing", "even", "through", "long", "always", "world", "too", "friend", "tell", "try", "hand", "thought", "over", "here", "other", "need", "smile", "again", "much", "cry", "been", "night", "ever", "little", "said", "end", "some", "those", "around", "mind", "people", "girl", "leave", "dream", "left", "turn", "myself", "give", "nothing", "really", "off", "before", "something", "find", "walk", "wish", "good", "once", "place", "ask", "stop", "keep", "watch", "seem", "everything", "wait", "got", "yet", "made", "remember", "start", "alone", "run", "hope", "maybe", "believe", "body", "hate", "after", "close", "talk", "stand", "own", "each", "hurt", "help", "home", "god", "soul", "new", "many", "two", "inside", "should", "true", "first", "fear", "mean", "better", "play", "another", "gone", "change", "use", "wonder", "someone", "hair", "cold", "open", "best", "any", "behind", "happen", "water", "dark", "laugh", "stay", "forever", "name", "work", "show", "sky", "break", "came", "deep", "door", "put", "black", "together", "upon", "happy", "such", "great", "white", "matter", "fill", "past", "please", "burn", "cause", "enough", "touch", "moment", "soon", "voice", "scream", "anything", "stare", "sound", "red", "everyone", "hide", "kiss", "truth", "death", "beautiful", "mine", "blood", "broken", "very", "pass", "next", "forget", "tree", "wrong", "air", "mother", "understand", "lip", "hit", "wall", "memory", "sleep", "free", "high", "realize", "school", "might", "skin", "sweet", "perfect", "blue", "kill", "breath", "dance", "against", "fly", "between", "grow", "strong", "under", "listen", "bring", "sometimes", "speak", "pull", "person", "become", "family", "begin", "ground", "real", "small", "father", "sure", "feet", "rest", "young", "finally", "land", "across", "today", "different", "guy", "line", "fire", "reason", "reach", "second", "slowly", "write", "eat", "smell", "mouth", "step", "learn", "three", "floor", "promise", "breathe", "darkness", "push", "earth", "guess", "save", "song", "above", "along", "both", "color", "house", "almost", "sorry", "anymore", "brother", "okay", "dear", "game", "fade", "already", "apart", "warm", "beauty", "heard", "notice", "question", "shine", "began", "piece", "whole", "shadow", "secret", "street", "within", "finger", "point", "morning", "whisper", "child", "moon", "green", "story", "glass", "kid", "silence", "since", "soft", "yourself", "empty", "shall", "angel", "answer", "baby", "bright", "dad", "path", "worry", "hour", "drop", "follow", "power", "war", "half", "flow", "heaven", "act", "chance", "fact", "least", "tired", "children", "near", "quite", "afraid", "rise", "sea", "taste", "window", "cover", "nice", "trust", "lot", "sad", "cool", "force", "peace", "return", "blind", "easy", "ready", "roll", "rose", "drive", "held", "music", "beneath", "hang", "mom", "paint", "emotion", "quiet", "clear", "cloud", "few", "pretty", "bird", "outside", "paper", "picture", "front", "rock", "simple", "anyone", "meant", "reality", "road", "sense", "waste", "bit", "leaf", "thank", "happiness", "meet", "men", "smoke", "truly", "decide", "self", "age", "book", "form", "alive", "carry", "escape", "damn", "instead", "able", "ice", "minute", "throw", "catch", "leg", "ring", "course", "goodbye", "lead", "poem", "sick", "corner", "desire", "known", "problem", "remind", "shoulder", "suppose", "toward", "wave", "drink", "jump", "woman", "pretend", "sister", "week", "human", "joy", "crack", "grey", "pray", "surprise", "dry", "knee", "less", "search", "bleed", "caught", "clean", "embrace", "future", "king", "son", "sorrow", "chest", "hug", "remain", "sat", "worth", "blow", "daddy", "final", "parent", "tight", "also", "create", "lonely", "safe", "cross", "dress", "evil", "silent", "bone", "fate", "perhaps", "anger", "class", "scar", "snow", "tiny", "tonight", "continue", "control", "dog", "edge", "mirror", "month", "suddenly", "comfort", "given", "loud", "quickly", "gaze", "plan", "rush", "stone", "town", "battle", "ignore", "spirit", "stood", "stupid", "yours", "brown", "build", "dust", "hey", "kept", "pay", "phone", "twist", "although", "ball", "beyond", "hidden", "nose", "taken", "fail", "float", "pure", "somehow", "wash", "wrap", "angry", "cheek", "creature", "forgotten", "heat", "rip", "single", "space", "special", "weak", "whatever", "yell", "anyway", "blame", "job", "choose", "country", "curse", "drift", "echo", "figure", "grew", "laughter", "neck", "suffer", "worse", "yeah", "disappear", "foot", "forward", "knife", "mess", "somewhere", "stomach", "storm", "beg", "idea", "lift", "offer", "breeze", "field", "five", "often", "simply", "stuck", "win", "allow", "confuse", "enjoy", "except", "flower", "seek", "strength", "calm", "grin", "gun", "heavy", "hill", "large", "ocean", "shoe", "sigh", "straight", "summer", "tongue", "accept", "crazy", "everyday", "exist", "grass", "mistake", "sent", "shut", "surround", "table", "ache", "brain", "destroy", "heal", "nature", "shout", "sign", "stain", "choice", "doubt", "glance", "glow", "mountain", "queen", "stranger", "throat", "tomorrow", "city", "either", "fish", "flame", "rather", "shape", "spin", "spread", "ash", "distance", "finish", "image", "imagine", "important", "nobody", "shatter", "warmth", "became", "feed", "flesh", "funny", "lust", "shirt", "trouble", "yellow", "attention", "bare", "bite", "money", "protect", "amaze", "appear", "born", "choke", "completely", "daughter", "fresh", "friendship", "gentle", "probably", "six", "deserve", "expect", "grab", "middle", "nightmare", "river", "thousand", "weight", "worst", "wound", "barely", "bottle", "cream", "regret", "relationship", "stick", "test", "crush", "endless", "fault", "itself", "rule", "spill", "art", "circle", "join", "kick", "mask", "master", "passion", "quick", "raise", "smooth", "unless", "wander", "actually", "broke", "chair", "deal", "favorite", "gift", "note", "number", "sweat", "box", "chill", "clothes", "lady", "mark", "park", "poor", "sadness", "tie", "animal", "belong", "brush", "consume", "dawn", "forest", "innocent", "pen", "pride", "stream", "thick", "clay", "complete", "count", "draw", "faith", "press", "silver", "struggle", "surface", "taught", "teach", "wet", "bless", "chase", "climb", "enter", "letter", "melt", "metal", "movie", "stretch", "swing", "vision", "wife", "beside", "crash", "forgot", "guide", "haunt", "joke", "knock", "plant", "pour", "prove", "reveal", "steal", "stuff", "trip", "wood", "wrist", "bother", "bottom", "crawl", "crowd", "fix", "forgive", "frown", "grace", "loose", "lucky", "party", "release", "surely", "survive", "teacher", "gently", "grip", "speed", "suicide", "travel", "treat", "vein", "written", "cage", "chain", "conversation", "date", "enemy", "however", "interest", "million", "page", "pink", "proud", "sway", "themselves", "winter", "church", "cruel", "cup", "demon", "experience", "freedom", "pair", "pop", "purpose", "respect", "shoot", "softly", "state", "strange", "bar", "birth", "curl", "dirt", "excuse", "lord", "lovely", "monster", "order", "pack", "pants", "pool", "scene", "seven", "shame", "slide", "ugly", "among", "blade", "blonde", "closet", "creek", "deny", "drug", "eternity", "gain", "grade", "handle", "key", "linger", "pale", "prepare", "swallow", "swim", "tremble", "wheel", "won", "cast", "cigarette", "claim", "college", "direction", "dirty", "gather", "ghost", "hundred", "loss", "lung", "orange", "present", "swear", "swirl", "twice", "wild", "bitter", "blanket", "doctor", "everywhere", "flash", "grown", "knowledge", "numb", "pressure", "radio", "repeat", "ruin", "spend", "unknown", "buy", "clock", "devil", "early", "false", "fantasy", "pound", "precious", "refuse", "sheet", "teeth", "welcome", "add", "ahead", "block", "bury", "caress", "content", "depth", "despite", "distant", "marry", "purple", "threw", "whenever", "bomb", "dull", "easily", "grasp", "hospital", "innocence", "normal", "receive", "reply", "rhyme", "shade", "someday", "sword", "toe", "visit", "asleep", "bought", "center", "consider", "flat", "hero", "history", "ink", "insane", "muscle", "mystery", "pocket", "reflection", "shove", "silently", "smart", "soldier", "spot", "stress", "train", "type", "view", "whether", "bus", "energy", "explain", "holy", "hunger", "inch", "magic", "mix", "noise", "nowhere", "prayer", "presence", "shock", "snap", "spider", "study", "thunder", "trail", "admit", "agree", "bag", "bang", "bound", "butterfly", "cute", "exactly", "explode", "familiar", "fold", "further", "pierce", "reflect", "scent", "selfish", "sharp", "sink", "spring", "stumble", "universe", "weep", "women", "wonderful", "action", "ancient", "attempt", "avoid", "birthday", "branch", "chocolate", "core", "depress", "drunk", "especially", "focus", "fruit", 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"apple", "balance", "boom", "childhood", "collect", "demand", "depression", "eventually", "faint", "glare", "goal", "group", "honey", "kitchen", "laid", "limb", "machine", "mere", "mold", "murder", "nerve", "painful", "poetry", "prince", "rabbit", "shelter", "shore", "shower", "soothe", "stair", "steady", "sunlight", "tangle", "tease", "treasure", "uncle", "begun", "bliss", "canvas", "cheer", "claw", "clutch", "commit", "crimson", "crystal", "delight", "doll", "existence", "express", "fog", "football", "gay", "goose", "guard", "hatred", "illuminate", "mass", "math", "mourn", "rich", "rough", "skip", "stir", "student", "style", "support", "thorn", "tough", "yard", "yearn", "yesterday", "advice", "appreciate", "autumn", "bank", "beam", "bowl", "capture", "carve", "collapse", "confusion", "creation", "dove", "feather", "girlfriend", "glory", "government", "harsh", "hop", "inner", "loser", "moonlight", "neighbor", "neither", "peach", "pig", "praise", "screw", "shield", "shimmer", "sneak", "stab", "subject", "throughout", "thrown", "tower", "twirl", "wow", "army", "arrive", "bathroom", "bump", "cease", "cookie", "couch", "courage", "dim", "guilt", "howl", "hum", "husband", "insult", "led", "lunch", "mock", "mostly", "natural", "nearly", "needle", "nerd", "peaceful", "perfection", "pile", "price", "remove", "roam", "sanctuary", "serious", "shiny", "shook", "sob", "stolen", "tap", "vain", "void", "warrior", "wrinkle", "affection", "apologize", "blossom", "bounce", "bridge", "cheap", "crumble", "decision", "descend", "desperately", "dig", "dot", "flip", "frighten", "heartbeat", "huge", "lazy", "lick", "odd", "opinion", "process", "puzzle", "quietly", "retreat", "score", "sentence", "separate", "situation", "skill", "soak", "square", "stray", "taint", "task", "tide", "underneath", "veil", "whistle", "anywhere", "bedroom", "bid", "bloody", "burden", "careful", "compare", "concern", "curtain", "decay", "defeat", "describe", "double", "dreamer", "driver", "dwell", "evening", 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"lifeless", "measure", "mighty", "muse", "north", "opposite", "paradise", "patience", "patient", "pencil", "petal", "plate", "ponder", "possibly", "practice", "slice", "spell", "stock", "strife", "strip", "suffocate", "suit", "tender", "tool", "trade", "velvet", "verse", "waist", "witch", "aunt", "bench", "bold", "cap", "certainly", "click", "companion", "creator", "dart", "delicate", "determine", "dish", "dragon", "drama", "drum", "dude", "everybody", "feast", "forehead", "former", "fright", "fully", "gas", "hook", "hurl", "invite", "juice", "manage", "moral", "possess", "raw", "rebel", "royal", "scale", "scary", "several", "slight", "stubborn", "swell", "talent", "tea", "terrible", "thread", "torment", "trickle", "usually", "vast", "violence", "weave", "acid", "agony", "ashamed", "awe", "belly", "blend", "blush", "character", "cheat", "common", "company", "coward", "creak", "danger", "deadly", "defense", "define", "depend", "desperate", "destination", "dew", "duck", "dusty", "embarrass", "engine", "example", "explore", "foe", "freely", "frustrate", "generation", "glove", "guilty", "health", "hurry", "idiot", "impossible", "inhale", "jaw", "kingdom", "mention", "mist", "moan", "mumble", "mutter", "observe", "ode", "pathetic", "pattern", "pie", "prefer", "puff", "rape", "rare", "revenge", "rude", "scrape", "spiral", "squeeze", "strain", "sunset", "suspend", "sympathy", "thigh", "throne", "total", "unseen", "weapon", "weary" };

[Miky]

@AngryChicken Thanks

[k.coins]

The word that stuck out to me when scrolling through that list was cigarette...
It's like one of those psychological tests and my brain just showed weakness for passed addictions - sorry for the random but I thought that was funny. What word sticks out to you? =P

[croydan1]

as I am reading this thread I am on one hand appalled that within our own programming the words used to Generate a random password are right there all the words are all one case, they are all dictionary words but with that said it wouldn't matter they have all the info to right there that they need to do with what they want. The person most likely persons that did this are very smart this info would be ran thru several bot computers to figure out passphrases in probably less than a week. So when I was talking earlier about back doors not closed well here is a huge gapping hole you can drive a truck thru. hell go to 4chan and start poking around and ask around if someone had all the words needed to create random passphrases how long would it take to get in they would tell you the same thing. There are people out there for hire that do this stuff for fun got the TOR network you will be cringing at the amount of info you can get. I not trying to say this to be funny this is all fact. there is money here and a lot of it. The more people look at us the more unsavory types will too. And while on the subject of this site generates actual money so I wonder who in their right mind would use Java to base this on. 2K games is here in vegas they make almost all the espn sports games and some other very popular games They wont use Java on any of there primary coding why because it is not secure. oh and lets look at the "rich" list it has every single burst account listed so now you have the persons burst account then if you look thru just a few of the asset accounts some give even more info like account id numeric number ( i probably spelled numeric wrong ) again just a little bit more info. We are ripe with info personally I don't like the fact that peeps can see how much I have that is like opening my bank account and saying here have a look oh buy the way here is a snippet of my account number but dont worry about that just get your own account then look here in this file which is the same for everyone and with a little effort you can figure out my passphrase and anyone else's. If you really want to put things into reallity here is this tidbit of info everyday just here in the U.S. every branch of the service every 3 letter agency to the Pentagon to every useless celebrity is getting probed and hacked. First get rid of the words used they should not be visible at all. second get a real could generator with upper and lower case letters no and i cant stress this enough no dictionary words there needs to be numbers and random ( the word escapes me ) but stuff like !`~$%^&*()_-+= I would not be the one to make the generator you all would be waiting till next Christmas LOL. the faucet is off so that little hole is plugged. Secure your computers and stop using that K9 what ever it is that figures out captcha for you again it is another way in that company is not going to reimburse you they have 0 liability if you lose your money.

Croydan

[Lexicon]

hi guys. ive just set up a new account. the address is in my signature.

i strongly doubt ill ever get my funds back.

as for the word list. theirs 1626 words in that data-set. so to dictionary brute-force would yield the following amount of guesses to crack

• 1 word 1626
• 2 word 2,643,876
• 3 word 4,298,942,376
• 4 word 6,990,080,303,376
• 5 word 11,365,870,573,289,376
• 6 word 18,480,905,552,168,525,376
• 7 word 30,049,952,427,826,022,261,376
• 8 word 48,861,222,647,645,112,196,997,376
• 9 word 79,448,348,025,070,952,432,317,733,376
• 10 word 1.2918301388876536865494863446938e+32

[qibucks]

@Lexicon will send you some goodies tomorrow

[haitch]

@ZapbuzZ The guys that run my co-location site are Court Data Technologies. Their company provides a database of searchable data on Wisconsin, US, court cases. They have no access to my servers, they just own the public IP's associated with my servers.

[delords]

Above all, how safe are we? After all the stress, sleepless nights and all? Only to lose it all just like that isn't palatable.

[haitch]

@delords Using a 12 word passphrase out of 1600+ possible words would require more time than the universe has existed to crack. Throw in some uppercase letters, numbers, symbols and the task become exponentially harder. If you use a secure passphrase you're safe. I had a test account with an unsecure passphrase, and it got hacked - lesson learned. I take the system generated passphrase and tweak it a little - it's basically uncrackable.

[theoneandonely]

@haitch Is it possible to somehow change the passphrase of an account? Or do I have to make a new one and transfer all the assets and all my burstcoin to a new one?

[zyzzyva]

@theoneandonely It's not possible to change your passphrase, because your address is generated from your passphrase. You'd need to create a new account and transfer your Burst and assets to it.

[Energy]

Remember that hacking comes from an external system to burst, but hey as we should know all the total security on the internet does not exist unfortunately, but if you apply a little common sense will complicate things a lot these bastards.

The bad thing is that as humans we are we make a lot of mistakes and I say it from my own experience ;)

[nixxda]

btw. you can also use Keepass2 or similar to store your passwords and generate them! And make them however long you want! (I think!)

[delords]

@haitch Thanks and noted. I will open another account and tweak the phrase asap.

[Lexicon]

@nixxda i use keepass but it didnt stop me from getting infected by this bad boy.

luckily antilogger encrypted all my key-presses so the majority of the shit they got was nonsense.

below is an example of what i saw when i opened the files that was logging all my shit

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with this virus. it can easily steal your keepass passwords from your clipboard.

[delords]

Now I am freaking out.
I just created a new wallet with a presumed more stronger passphrase.
Visited a faucet for free activation coin.
Named it and transferred my burst to it but nothing is showing in my Recent transaction talk less of coins in the new wallet.
Help me out.

[daWallet]

@delords Please tell us your Account IDs to help you.