[ANN] BtcDragon Casino Asset



  • @keyd0s said in [ANN] BtcDragon Casino Asset:

    @focus Well to be honest I think Bitdv has a point. you've openly said in your thread that you won't buy this asset, which was a bold statement considering you were a MOD at the time, and even without that mod status in this forum you still are the big boy around the block. influencing possible newcomer's decision by a credible source with high reputation saying he won't invest.
    and it's one thing to state your opinion like that in your thread, but a second to come into his thread from time to time and throw around accusations. I think Bitdv did an absolutely amazing job growing his asset which has become one of the more successful ones in terms of trading volume, and also massive props on succesfully developing his casino the way he did.
    being sharp on due diligence is great! But from time to time he deserves a pat on the back for his efforts as well don't you think?
    He gets one from me for sure (pat pat). Cause his casino made me big profits :D

    And he does get the pat, I did commend him for keeping a btc balance for development and also for not releasing more shares onto the market. People are making money with trading and that is thank to him yes (albeit mostly the whale).

    I am just a firm believer that assets issuers should be held to a higher standards of transparency, meaning that if anyone ever asks me about my payouts, I will screenshot the source of the funds with transactions and explain how we got there.

    All I have been asking is transparency on the payouts and to see that his casino has legitimately taken in those profits. Is that not his responsibility towards his asset holders? Yes, you may argue that I am not one of them, and I will not be unless there is full transparency, but let me say this: I have had people contact me in private with these concerns, and I post it because they are reluctant to do so themselves.



  • @Focus well in my opinion Bit has shown more transparency and updates on his progress than the average asset issuer around here and really takes his time to explain all the aspects of his trades, as well as future progress. just a quick peek back into this thread confirms this for me. truthfully his asset probably also requires more info than the average mining asset.

    Is a high level of transparency important? yes. without a doubt. and I won't go into discussion with you on that as well as I think that's obvious.

    now as for people contacting you about these concerns, I can't verify nor oppose that statement but I think if people truly have concerns they should contact bitdv themselves instead of doing it by proxy. without a doubt you are a great detective regarding these things, and major props on that. but in this thread alone you kind of look like the boogieman :p.



  • @keyd0s If people approach a trustworthy member of the community like @Focus I think he has the responsibility to clear these concerns on behalf of other people. I think @Bitdv has a responsibility to answer these questions once they are asked to the same extent as Focus has the obligation to ask when people approach him with concerns.

    I don't wee why every is taking this to such an offense to this as all Focus is trying to do is clear concerns for many other members in the community. He may have decided to not invest but those who do have approached Focus to voice their concerns



  • cmon guys, Bitdv was clear and transparent more than any other asset holder around here.



  • @rnahlawi said in [ANN] BtcDragon Casino Asset:

    cmon guys, Bitdv was clear and transparent more than any other asset holder around here.

    Great then he won't mind screenshots of the weekly profits on the casino from his moneypot backend.



  • @Focus No one is doing that, but yet he posted one to answer you



  • @rnahlawi said in [ANN] BtcDragon Casino Asset:

    @Focus No one is doing that, but yet he posted one to answer you

    No he didn't, He posted a cropped image from moneypot that can be from any app...



  • @Focus I've been here since August purely mining and I don't trust giving away my money to a person with only a name on the screen to me. I started to invest with exception to those who took the extra mile to show trust. With most of the assets around here, very few owners showed that trust! And even with those I play with the funny money concept where I invest with money I accept to lose.
    Burst's main advantage is the asset exchange. To make it rise and trade with better values, then more than trust has to be established between the owner and the investor. What I've observed is very few assets are built with a real business value (like this one), most of other assets fail to show value. Trading assets for example might collapse cause they are built on other investments which might collapse by itself.
    If you really want a future value for Burst, then let those who are showing the least to support Burst with a real external value (which Bitdv showed already on money bot) and start hammering others who didn't show that kind of trust and simply gambling with investors money and Burst reputation.



  • @rnahlawi You act like @Focus is asking out of his own concern. He is asking on behalf of others which counters your argument in its entirety.

    You fired shots at BurstCombo yet you fail to see that the assets he is most heavily invested in are either owned by @crowetic or @AdamGuerbuez or @nameless or he has some personal association with the asset. And the other assets his asset hold are run by long-time members of the community. I don't see any collapse on the horizon.



  • @rnahlawi said in [ANN] BtcDragon Casino Asset:

    @Focus I've been here since August purely mining and I don't trust giving away my money to a person with only a name on the screen to me. I started to invest with exception to those who took the extra mile to show trust. With most of the assets around here, very few owners showed that trust! And even with those I play with the funny money concept where I invest with money I accept to lose.
    Burst's main advantage is the asset exchange. To make it rise and trade with better values, then more than trust has to be established between the owner and the investor. What I've observed is very few assets are built with a real business value (like this one), most of other assets fail to show value. Trading assets for example might collapse cause they are built on other investments which might collapse by itself.
    If you really want a future value for Burst, then let those who are showing the least to support Burst with a real external value (which Bitdv showed already on money bot) and start hammering others who didn't show that kind of trust and simply gambling with investors money and Burst reputation.

    I like your post and is well versed. I will basically tell you what my issues are with this asset.

    First, the snippets of payouts are not enough proof. I asked a few times that he show a screenshot of the whole moneypot payouts page and he kept sending screenshots of anything but that.

    Second, was the transfer of assets without going through the Asset exchange claiming that they were investors before the fact. If this is the case, then why was it never mentioned in the original post. It only mentions him paying himself out 10% of the assets per release.

    So, if no proof can be shown about what moneypot is paying as a payout then we cannot prove or disprove what he is paying out to asset holders as being legitimate, therefore just making it a ponzi scheme and it just gets re-inforced by the asset trades he did without selling them. It looks as if he is just paying more to himself.



  • @Focus I don't know what else to say, you are convinced with your argument and I'm not trying to prove you wrong. All what I say is that this asset is been providing enough information and good potential for Burst itself outside the Burst bubble. Maybe not showing that exact information is part of his business secret recipe.
    @kmaxkmax dude no shots fired anywhere on anyone, I'm being objective and please read my post in that way.



  • @rnahlawi said in [ANN] BtcDragon Casino Asset:

    @Focus I don't know what else to say, you are convinced with your argument and I'm not trying to prove you wrong. All what I say is that this asset is been providing enough information and good potential for Burst itself outside the Burst bubble. Maybe not showing that exact information is part of his business secret recipe.
    @kmaxkmax dude no shots fired anywhere on anyone, I'm being objective and please read my post in that way.

    Let's call it as it is. Good for the Burst outside Burst, not really because over 13 million was dumped on the exchanges. Investment should be brought in to Burst and not taken out to be seen as a benefit.

    The value I do see, is that a few people made money on the Asset exchange with the asset, but please understand that for every trade there is a winning party and a losing one. You can figure out the rest...



  • @Focus I agree with the burst that was dumped should not have been.



  • @kmaxkmax said in [ANN] BtcDragon Casino Asset:

    @rnahlawi You act like @Focus is asking out of his own concern. He is asking on behalf of others which counters your argument in its entirety.

    You fired shots at BurstCombo yet you fail to see that the assets he is most heavily invested in are either owned by @crowetic or @AdamGuerbuez or @nameless or he has some personal association with the asset. And the other assets his asset hold are run by long-time members of the community. I don't see any collapse on the horizon.

    okay I'd just like to say that firstly, that does in now way counter his argument as his argument was about trust and the value of burst. who asks who to do what is in no way even related to that argument...

    Secondly he didn't fire shots at burstcombo, he talked about investment assets in general. don't take this more personal than it has to be and keep it objective will you? You also tagging some members as a way to 'bring in the big guns' to a discussion seems kind of childish to me.

    Now I'm out of here cause this discussion seems to get personal and escalate, and I don't want to be involved in that. This is nothing personal at all! just a difference of opinions. focus has the right to ask questions, and Bitdv has answered these gracefully (apart from the dump maybe). I truly wist you all the best! I've invested greatly in both parties and will continue to do so.
    Cheers!



  • I did post pictures of the backend , all i can say on that is someone should open a account on moneypot , add a app and then they will see what im talking about, There is nothing else in there to show , the only other thing would be to turn off my 2FA and give them my passwords and let them go in there , and will I do that "NOT A FUCKEN CHANCE IN HELL!!", not because they will see anything different, but because there is sensitive info in there to do with the apps(casino), that no one has any right to have access to except me and my coder , so thats my suggestion put a app up and then tell me were im suppose to find these magical pages for you , that give you all of this mythical info, cause I have shown every page there is and yes there screen shots, what you want me to do oil paintings, get panoramic portraits done for you??
    OK on the subject of coins Moneypot will intargrate into there system, they are being very hush hush about it , the only coins they have hinted at are Rubie's which i believe is a in house coin of theres and NXT and this was from a screen shot they put up in there forum thread, they wont comment on it or anything else, i have asked many times in there discord chat but all i get is it is still being decided, I wish they did add burst would make my job and my coders job way way easier from a coding side .
    But also saying that By adding Burst this way to the casino the casino will be able to add games and features that we wouldnt be able to thru Moneypot as there Api's and that have limitations, so this way we will be able to add games that havent been seen in the crypto realm and they will have features that i would not be able to add if I just used the moneypot api's, so there will be games that can only be played using Burst or any other coin I DECIDE to add in the future.
    And on the question how does it work if not thru Moneypot, i will answer this in the simplest way i can , this of the casino as a building with 2 doors, one door you enter thru moneypot , same building, same interior, just if you enter thru the Moneypot door, everything in there is Moneypot, and if you enter the other door(Burst door) same building, same interior, just everything is geared towards Burst , same building same interior, just depends on the door or portal you enter thru depends on which currency it will be set up for ..



  • @keyd0s I'm at'ing "big guns" to prove my point. When he shamed investment assets... who could he be talking about? There are 2 main ones BurstCombo and MIA and since we are talking about @Focus one can simply infer that he is talking about BurstCombo otherwise it would be dumb to randomly include that point.

    The trust issue isn't an issue. It is multiple valid inquiries based on concerns from others on the forum to make sure every asset is in line and another scam like N.E.W.S. does not happen. Which should be viewed as perfectly okay by the community and not as a troll. If users decided to voice their concerns through Focus... that should be accepted.



  • things are moving along nicely!!

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  • Might even have a game up tonight to test , hmmmm!! let you all know soon enough but the deposit and withdrawal system is working like a charm!!



  • @Bitdv announce when the test is ready, I want to participate in testing :)
    Test= game



  • i will dont worry , make sure you have a moneypot account as you will need it to get into the burst part of the casino , all will be revealed when the time comes


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