We could use some help trying to revive these chains!

gpedro

@LithStud @bandarfjb @Dario-s-wallet BIG BIG THANKS guys?! Join the AltTech.chat and join the https://alttech.chat/alttech/channels/teams-coins-staking

This channel have been much active the last days and you can find support and info about this coins in there!

Again, thanks for the help with this?!

bandarfjb

I cannot connect to Alttech at this moment.
I tried VIOR and it said 0 active connection so it cannot syncing. Any idea?

gpedro

@bandarfjb I put the conf file and a README inside each of the wallets folders with the same information i gave you at the AltTech in order to facilitate this process for all the wallets syncing ;D

dagentlemang

I can dedicate a pc to running only wallets

socalguy

@gpedro I'll be the devil's advocate here and ask the questions.

Why are we trying to revive these coins?
Is Burst no longer a vivable coin?
What happens to Burst once these other coins are up and running?
Are others trying to revive the market so that they can dump their existing coins?

Zeus

@socalguy not the devil at all, I was, in fact, wandering some of this questions.
Like, what will happen to Burst development if all those other coins are in dev at the same time.

We need to remember that the more project a single person have, the less work its done in each.
The time is shared with all the work we do.

At the end, the only currency I really care about and the only one I mine, for now, it's Burstcoin.

PS: I've started since yesterday helping these guys and have created those wallets, it doesn't take much time, knowledge or ram to run this so why not hehe. Will not be leaving them on 24/7 but still have them on from time to time ^_^

gpedro

@socalguy Not devil advocate at all hahaha This questions should be answered so i will explain for the point of view i have... But First i will reply to your answers:

1 - We are trying to revive this coins because they could serve some extra services to BURST economy in the future...
2 - As far as i see is exactly the other way: BURST is so viable that the intention is to implement this services into BURST on the future raising the price and applications of both BURST and individually each of this coins.
3 - As far as i see, if this coins are up and running again, and the Atomic Cross Chains Transfers are up and running in all of these coins it will make BURST economy bigger than ever...
4 - This can be happening with some people but the most of people running this wallets should be doing it by now just for put the networks up and running again and because they are believing in this project and they believe that this will help all of the coins we are trying to make better...

Now, here is my view about this:

If all this coins are up and running, what should take some time to accomplish due to BURST and QORA are the top priority coins on development, what will happen is that both BURST and QORA will be the central economy coins, all the others will be like companies that provide services and that operate inside that central economies (BURST and QORA)...

KORE and VIOR are both PoS coins that allow to make video and voice calls through VOIP, what is a really cool service that will provide calls and video-calls in a decentralized and secure way, this side by side with the cheap price that calls should be worldwide...

Imagine if you have BURST as a central economy and you have some of other coins providing extra services... This way is like each of this coins are like apps that will need money in there, so basically you will have to do a Cross Chain Transfer to this coins so you can use the service or you are stacking this coins at the same time, either way you are supporting both chains (BURST and whatever the coin you will have to use to make a cheap call by voice or video to Portugal for instance so you can talk with me xD) be for stacking the coins or by paying the cross chain transfer fees...

So to conclude this is a way of making Services have his own coins (all this kind of services have centralized parties that hold that coins like PlayStation Store, Android Store, Skype and all the other services provided when you have to pay something the companies have always your money in their hand) and a way of linking real life companies into Blockchains, including them into other coins making economies bigger and more stable! Basically if this services are decentralized the money should be in your power all the time so if you want your money back you just do the counter operation you made to put coins into the service you wanted to buy instead of "if you deposited you have to spend it"!

Again, i will say that this is what i think about all this matters and is the way i view things... I can't talk for everyone on the Team and i don't want to talk for nobody. This is just my opinion!

And @Zeus i agree with you that the more projects at the same time could misfocus people to develop different kind of things instead of focus on the top priority but it's exactly because of that that exist a priority list and there is a lot of developers on the Team, not just the ones that are mostly online... A lot of Developpers don't come online just for people don't arrass them with questions in order to they are able to put their efforts on the developping of the cool stuff we use... xD

I would like if @crowetic could tell us if this are the exact plans of the Team and if he share my vision about this wonderfull future i see happening here or if his vision for this projects are a little different!

Again BIG thanks to all for helping with this?!

EDIT:
Further insight by @MikeMike :https://forums.burst-team.us/topic/2485/we-could-use-some-help-trying-to-revive-these-chains/29

jervis

OMG! The words are so numerous in this thread. Anyways, jack of all trades, master of none will be the effect of having too many projects at the same time.

But I still cant install the god damn wallets. My defender just auto delete them. :(

LithStud

@jervis really? Hmm that is huge concern as wallets shouldnt trigger any warnings!

Zeus

@jervis I'm running Qora, KoreCoin and Quotient, I didnt have any warnings from my defender or antivirus, really strange what you're having :/

nameless

runnin' 2 qora full nodes myself. crow helped me set the wallets up as nodes because i had no idea what the fuck i was doing :)

gpedro

@jervis Yeah that is quite strange... I already set up all the wallets in 3 PC's and none of them raised any red flags of nothing xS

Just to make sure the defender you are talking is the Windows Defender? I have this turned off on my Windows so this can be where we are in a different page idk...

Regarding the number of words on this post: You already know me, when i intend to explain something in english things get messy so usually i use a lot of words to say not much LOL

Regarding the "jack of all trades, master of none" i don't agree because it's always very good to have a lot of applications for something we are creating and i would agree with you if it was only the same people working in all but there is not... There is different teams working on all this different things! It's possible that some dev's are working in multiple projects but i think the core of each project have different dev's!

EDIT: I am running all the 5 wallets in 2 different PC's!

jervis

yeah, it's windows defender. :(

LithStud

@gpedro if your using windows 10 you cant turn off windows defender :) yo only think you turned it off but windows just turns it back on in couple minutes.

gpedro

@LithStud I am on Windows 10 and it has my Windows defender turned off... Here is how to do it: http://www.windowscentral.com/how-permanently-disable-windows-defender-windows-10

Gadrah_

If Burst had the size, the funds, the developpers and the time to be working on this kind of side projects I would totally agree with you @gpedro but I feel that at least for now the time and energy spent on those coins would be better used in Burst-related work.

ccminer

@Gadrah_ agree with you mate!
Burst still have to grow

gpedro

@BURSTguy @Gadrah_ @ccminer I feel your concerns guys but I just want to say that this other coins were not taken over recently, this happened months ago and I don't think the Team is wasting resources in this other coins because in reality we earned more Dev's with this taken overs because when this coins were taken over, Dev's come with it!
For example with the KORE coin, the KORE Team started working with the BURST Team and with the QORA Team. So basically taken over this coins allowed the Team to have more Dev's working with it.

I don't think that the BURST Team is wasting resources in this other projects in any way...

The only thing that is new in this coins working within BURST is that someone (me and mikemike) asked for some help of the community in order for reviving this chains because one of them was almost lost last week and all the others had almost no peers, and now idk what to call this initiative we had, because some of you guys don't look happy for this inittiative but by other side some people helped and this chains are now with some more peers...

You guys didn't seemed troubled when @crowetic announced this partnerships some months ago, and i think you are forgetting that the BURST Team is a collaborative effort of a bunch of Development Teams that work inside Burst and inside their own projects!

Let me give you guys a pratical example:
@ccminer you developped the ccminer right?
Imagine you were still developing the ccminer software and someone on the BURST Team approach you in order for you to work with us... If you accept it doesn't make any sense that someone here asked you for put your project on holding to work for the Team right?
But now imagine you were stucked with the ccminer development and some other Dev in the Team had a way for you solve it, could it be by coding some lines or just by sharing his idea with you, you would not enjoy that help?
To this is called collaborative effort, not wasting resources of the Team in order for you to finish your development right?
At least this is how I look at this collaborations...

Thanks for the ones that helped with this and hope you guys understand my opinion and that i can't speak for the Team, i just can speak for me and about how i feel about this projects!

EDIT: Further insight by @MikeMike :https://forums.burst-team.us/topic/2485/we-could-use-some-help-trying-to-revive-these-chains/29

Focus

@gpedro, well said !!

gpedro

@Focus Thanks xD