pool reward

nixxda

I'm up for the challenge! or better comparison. In fact I already started!
I have set up clean logs and I'm going to mine one week on burst.lexitoshi.uk and one on burst.ninja.
But, the one thing most interesting to me isn't the actual amount paid out, (well, of course that to !) but rather the the pools performance!
And I'm sorry for bringing this up in this thread!-/
What I am talking about is the pools ability to confirm my Deadlines!
Now, this may not be the pools fault but rather my geolocations, clogged internet in general and the amount of miners (lemmings you are !-) in those ninja pools.
I am located in the middle of Europe with an rather nice ISP and I still cant get all my DL's confirmed from those clogged US servers! This annoys me quite a bit!
So for me, this is the main factor for choosing a pool. Not the actual payout scheme. Because I strongly suspect them to be the same in the end.
I would evan go so far as to say, if the pool your mining on has at least about 100Tb overall, it doesn't matter anymore! Your payout is always going to be the same overtime! As long as you can get your DL's confirmed!-)

some Numbers:

random day at lexitoshi

random day at ninja

yes, I know, bad picture! "connectionTimeout" is set to 20'000ms and i have tried increasing it. but to no avail!

I'll be back! With real numbers for a payout comparison.

edit: I realized that I have to clarify that statement because it might be misleading!
first of, 11 "not confirmed" Deadlines is a small percentage of the 303 "confirmed!" I got in the same timeframe!
second, of those 11 an evan smaller percentage might have won something! (hard to check afterwards) most probably non!
but, its still annoying not to know! And for me, it gets worse on pool.burst-team.us!
If it works for you, by all means go ahead mine there!-)

Burstde

What is pool.burst.de connection timeout?

nixxda

@Burstde said in pool reward:

What is pool.burst.de connection timeout?

I dont know!-) you set the "connection timeout" in jminer.properties.
And, if I understood that right, its the time jminer waits for a confirmation of a deadline.
Quite often you will see that your dl made it through anyway and you just did not get the confirmation back.
And some other times it doesn't matter because it wasn't your best one in that round anyway.
But ever so often I happen to see one which didn't go through. And it may have been the one!-)

RichBC

@nixxda said in pool reward:

But, the one thing most interesting to me isn't the actual amount paid out, (well, of course that to !) but rather the the pools performance!
And I'm sorry for bringing this up in this thread!-/
What I am talking about is the pools ability to confirm my Deadlines!

You will find no Pool better than ninja for rapid and reliable confirmation of deadlines, relatively few miners and because of the low Deadline the number of nonces submitted each round is less than 2x the number of miners.. I have a poor internet connection and it's one of the main reasons I mine there.

Rich

nixxda

@RichBC Well,... no! But as I said, if it works for you and your happy with it, good! You are probably mining from the US. But, you know there are other people out there, like "the rest of the world"!-)

I am aware that both of these pool servers we are talking about are located in the US. Ninja in Lenoir and Lexitoshi in Dallas as it seams. And some basic testing of their response time while in "stand still" shows an equal result for me. But still, I do get some "not confirmed"s from ninja and non from lexitoshi.

Back on topic, what I'm trying to suggest is, maybe it would be better and worth it to spread out to smaller pools! If only to to avoid the annoying "not to know" factor. As in "not to know if those not confirmed Dl's would have won something"!
If it's the same on both pools payment wise, I dont know jet! But i will! In about two weeks from now!-)

RichBC

@nixxda I am in the UK, with a very poor internet connection (1.5Mb/s Down and 0.4Mb/s UP on a good Day often worse than this) and have tried most of the pools and ninja is definitely the best i have found. But as you say what matters is what works best for you.

Rich

nixxda

@RichBC agreed! best of the ninja pools! But as a fellow "rest of the worlder" and with your internet connection, do you never get any unconfirmed deadlines?

jervis

My connection is just like Rich xD I didn't know that it's already that bad. I'm used to this.

RichBC

@nixxda All I am saying is that I get way less problems with unconfirmed deadlines on ninja than any other pool I have tried.

I accept a lot of this is my lousy Internet connection, however on the other Pools the congestion that seems to exist when a new block comes up combined with what seems to be a lack of retries in the mining packages overlayed with a poor internet connection means my Deadlines often don't get through.

On ninja except when my internet is down to a dribble it's very responsive with the confirmation usually the next line in the list from the send. On other Pools even when things are being confirmed that confirmation can often be 10 seconds after I made the submission.

I think Pools give priority to reception of deadlines and then the confirmations are queued and come later?

I have been away for a couple of Days and leave a PC running that logs my Download & Upload speed. Here is the graph you can see in the last few Hours things have improved to 1.5Mb/s Down & 0.25Mb/s UP but it's been pretty dire.

ninja has coped with most of this but even then I know from monitoring from where I was that I had some periods when my deadlines did not get through. Any other pool and there would have been no chance most of the time.

Personally I think it would be better all Pools reduced their deadlines some of which are ridiculous and cut what is being sent to a 1/2 or even a 1/4. In practice this does not reduce earnings as everyone is in the same boat, and the reward for a 1 Week deadline is minute anyway.

Rich

nixxda

@RichBC I hear you!-)
So I'm about to switch pool now. @Lexicon made a very nice script for me to count and compare how many Blocks went to each of the pools!
I wanted this because I realized that if I compare pool payout schemes I have to do it as an absolute and relative to the Blocks won by the pool I was mining in. Sadly I have this Data only since yesterday so I might have to jump back again afterwards.
But there's a lot of things I can pull from the Data I have and will collect now.
Heres what I have already seen or suspect and am trying to prove even with only 7 days sample period :

solo mining will always give you the best payout!
(if you're RichB you'd have 200k more now if solo mining from the beginning!)
A relative comparison will most probably be lost in "noise"! meaning that I won't get an conclusive result.
An absolute comparison. Which is more like small pool against big. I really dont know!-) (And I might not prove my point!)
And then there's this other thingy with the "not confirmed" dl's. which I'm going to try pulling more data from! like "what time of the day" and maybe even more.

that solo mining gives you a better payout even on such a short sample period as 7 days is quite astonishing to me!
But its so lonely!-( And I wouldn't and couldn't have this lovely discussion we're having here!-)

I jumped pools!
btw. I'm not going to consider payouts of historic shares after I left the pool!
see you in a week!

iKnow0

@RichBC Been there before, have you considered two-way satellite internet? Maybe do a deal with a neighbour and split the cost.

Lexicon

@iKnow0 @RichBC thats the uk for you. our infrastructure is far behind the rest of the world

RichBC

@Lexicon Yes it's also a pain that I pay the same for my slow and unreliable Broadband as someone getting 50 x my speed and that there is no chance in the foreseeable future of it improving at the current location.

@iKnow0 I use 4G as a backup but it's expensive for constant use, same applies to satellite.

However we will be moving some time next year and at that location have a Fibre cabinet 300Yds down the road :-)

Rich

Lexicon

@nixxda i did some more graphs today for someone whos been mining on my pool for 6 days. and compared it to the prior week where the miner was at Italian pool and managed to get some good data. let me know what you guys think.

ive tried to get this data as relative as possible. by including the other pools set of results in with the current.

worked out the average reward per and worked out a forecast of what the miner would of been earning if it hit the same blocks on my pool compared. as accurate as im gonna get it lol

nixxda

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nixxda

as it turns out: I'm lazy!-/ And there's no such thing as "free Data"!
But I'm posting some raw numbers and let you draw your own conclusions (if there's somebody reading this anyway)

I've been mining with roughly 65TB on burst.ninja and burst.lexitoshi.uk. Seven days each.

On ninja the miner won 16 Blocks and earned a Total of 36931.15773125 Burst (40235 Burst if solo)
on lexitoshi it won 15 Blocks and earned a Total of 32733.91999977 Burst ( 37722 Burst if solo)

This Data might be missing a bit because it was pulled from burstcoin.biz. And those logs are spotty but only very little!

On ninja my jminer got a lot of "not confirmed dl's" at first until I realized I was polling to fast. Turning "refreshInterval" back up to over 1000ms made made it better but still not good. So I switched to Blago's miner where still got the occasional "error 1007"!? (no idea (°_°;))

On lexitoshi I get non of this.