Multiple BURST announcements & what to expect going forward



  • @Energy gotcha.. my mistake



  • @Duncanvalen33 said in Multiple BURST announcements & what to expect going forward:

    @Darkbane I am in the works of creating a site like this should be avaiable in a week or two

    im looking at various site version and will make a choice on one

    then will need to find a host and domain put it behind cloud flare

    so give me some time for homework and alittle extra cash to spare

    well the problem with this is now its something that can be shut off if you decide to leave Burst due to frustrations one day or you just get bored with it... this is why I am suggesting something a little bit less prone to control of a single or group of individuals, like a wikipedia style website... where we know its going to be around even when others leave, and anyone can freely add or remove information and slowly it gets reinvented time and time again to be current and updated...

    but when we have a bunch of individuals running their own sites and people slowly depend on that as their source, and then it disappears, we're all back to square one with no ideas where anything else is because we put our eggs in that one basket that is prone to people coming and going and when they go, it ALL goes with them... paying a third party means you're also prone to them pulling the plug or refusing business as well as some companies have done to certain pools etc etc etc...

    we need a central site, to use as a starting point to link to other sites... absent that we're not solving the problems from happening again, we're ensuring they eventually will... we need something similar to wikipedia that can be worked on by the community and isn't subject to paying monthly hosting fees or a single/groups control... we need a true community sourced and "owned" website... I just can't think of any better alternatives than wikipedia as my only good example of that...

    I'm not saying folks can't create their own websites, many can and will do a fantastic job at that, but we need that central repository that points people to them... so people looking into burst have that place they can find information on where to even go, and when something happens in the community and the website we use goes down, we now have ways of contacting and communicating with others easily found... it doesn't have to replace all other websites, but we need a community center to act like the place outside town hall where everyone posts flyers and information and directs them to other things... we are lacking that in this community...

    plus this style would alleviate the pressure and time those who have other talents could redirect that time to those other things... but we don't need another website run by another guy, we need a community controlled and edited website so we can routinely edit and take down messages that are no longer correct and basically correct them so when folks look for information in google, they don't find all that old outdated stuff and then become frustrated when the rest of us have long moved past it because we're using more current and recent things... we just don't have that point to go to, and I don't want another website some guy runs who might quit one day... I just can't think of anything aside from wikipedia that is less prone to this issue...



  • @kev626 said in Multiple BURST announcements & what to expect going forward:

    @Darkbane piggybacking off that idea, there are open source Wikipedia style websites that allow people to write articles and stuff, just like Wikipedia. Why not use one of those, and maybe restyle it?

    well my question and problem is when individuals "own" the website, or are responsible for feeding it money to stay up every month, we'd still be prone to them quitting the community and now we lost ALL that valuable information... I know folks always promise "I would never do that" but they do, it happens, its a reality... so unless there is a place to host said style of website, without being prone to an individual or group of people having control over it, we're in the same sinking boat...

    we need a place that is the least likely to ever go down from ddos or ownership issues or lack of money or interest... all I can think of is wikipedia for that where the community can still freely edit it and update it as we go along, everything else requires someone or group of someones have control and they as we have seen already, can eventually get frustrated or pushed out and take things with them... so its not just offloading work from the programmers onto the rest of us who aren't programmers, its ensuring the community exists long after ALL of us have left it... we need a way for others to pick up where we left off as the cycle continues, without having to pass ownership and control to someone else and hope it works out...

    thats my issue I guess, looking towards the future, the attacks are very targeted and the goal is to push people out and away by others, so they gain full control, and thats the worst thing in a crypto... we need a way to for no one person to have that control and a way so others pushed out don't take the valuable resources as they leave when they are targeted... I'm not trying to single folks out, we just have to realize it happens, its a potential future issue, and we should address it with a solution so we can just move forward and not have to scramble in the future when it all happens again, because at this point, I have no reason to believe it won't with the clear motivations of some to ruin and push out others, I mean, he's clearly said he intends to chase people until he destroys them, what happens if he succeeds and we lose whatever his latest target was?

    are there other websites like wikipedia? free hosting? free editing? no single control?



  • @haitch said in Multiple BURST announcements & what to expect going forward:

    @kev626 I offered to host a wiki a while back if others could manage it, didn't get any responses

    no offense to you, you've clearly done more than your share for this community, but you hosting it doesn't solve my problem of what happens when the idiots finally push you too far and you give up and leave, that wikipedia is subject to possibly being lost because you're in control and hosting it... I'm not trying to suggest you would even on your worst day just delete it and walk away, but thats the very thing we all must considered and address, folks are clearly targeted in this community, especially you, and if we can offload that from you, we now make it less of a target, and at the same time someplace like wikipedia has far more resources than any of us to keep and maintain whatever information we place on it up when bad things happen...

    so this isn't a knock against you, its just, we need a non-controlled source to edit and maintain, something not prone to server issues, something not prone to internal fighting and you getting blasted with attacks the second you recover from the last one... we need someplace those seeking to control something, can't control it...

    I don't know any other website like wikipedia, that isn't prone to problems of attack of control and folks walking away...


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    @Darkbane No offense taken. The issue you're going to have is that someone needs to pay to host it - and so you're back in the situation of one person controlling it.

    As for walking away, or being pushed out - it's not going to happen. I've got too much invested in both the coin and everything I've setup to do that.

    So the offer still stands, if someone(s) wants to manage it, I'll spin up the Turnkey Linux Wiki appliance of choice ( https://www.turnkeylinux.org/wiki ). My hosting costs are fixed (and less than they used to be), so the more VM's, the better the value for the money.



  • I'll help out on managing this. I assume others will write content and such as well. MediaWiki I think is the best option.



  • @haitch said in Multiple BURST announcements & what to expect going forward:

    @Darkbane No offense taken. The issue you're going to have is that someone needs to pay to host it - and so you're back in the situation of one person controlling it.

    As for walking away, or being pushed out - it's not going to happen. I've got too much invested in both the coin and everything I've setup to do that.

    So the offer still stands, if someone(s) wants to manage it, I'll spin up the Turnkey Linux Wiki appliance of choice ( https://www.turnkeylinux.org/wiki ). My hosting costs are fixed (and less than they used to be), so the more VM's, the better the value for the money.

    and someone having to pay for it is why I suggest wikipedia... no cost, no "ownership" by single/group, and anyone can freely edit it without control... thats why I keep asking if there is something similar to wikipedia, or is wikipedia really the only company of its kind on the internet that would address the concerns I have? I'm not saying its not a good choice, I'm just wondering if there are more choices that might provide an even better option...


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    @Darkbane Basically you're asking is there somewhere we can host a VM for free? And the answer is no - apart from me and anyone in the Burst community running a VM server. Wikipedia will hold an article about Burstcoin, but not a Burstcoin wiki, If we want a wiki, we need to provide the platform for it.



  • @haitch because we need our own specific articles in our own section. And Wikipedia doesn't do that. Nor does anybody else.


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    @Darkbane I get your point. That would be a good use case for the Burst Foundation. The idea is that this entity can't just vanish. The plan is to make it self sustaining and with check and balances by people who run it.

    About a wiki that may go offline and all info lost: There can be monthly backups, so if something really bad happens, all the data can made available on a different domain within hours.



  • @haitch said in Multiple BURST announcements & what to expect going forward:

    @Darkbane Basically you're asking is there somewhere we can host a VM for free? And the answer is no - apart from me and anyone in the Burst community running a VM server. Wikipedia will hold an article about Burstcoin, but not a Burstcoin wiki, If we want a wiki, we need to provide the platform for it.

    well a VM would I guess be the wrong solution, because it would still require humans to configure and keep running and when it crashed for someone to fix it... I think I'm asking, is there anything else like wikipedia but better? better in the sense its somehow more flexible to the community but the same basic concept that people can freely edit and update or remove information as it changes in real-time, is reliable and more or less a "front page" and not so much a full working website with all the bells and whistles... I just don't know if anyone else does what wikipedia does better than wikipedia does it... we don't need a full VM or website, just a front page that can be edited and updated by the community with no person "owning" it and ultimately no costs to keep it going in the future so someone doesn't walk away...

    we basically need a "walmart greeter" style place that welcomes people to burst and then if the person has questions it directs them to where they can find answers... aka, wikipedia with a "community links" section where the community can freely edit links as they change over time... so our "walmart greeter" can point people in the right direction or at least give them the options to pick from rather than this immense scattering and division in the community now we need a central starting point...



  • @Darkbane I'm afraid such a thing doesn't exist. We will need to use a vm. I'll take monthly backups and save them. If it ever goes down and @haitch disappears, which probably won't happen, I'll put up my own server and start with the backups. This process then just continues.



  • Yeah, thank me for making this rock roll..



  • what im hoping todo or should say would like to do is get it up and running and have possibly have 2 or 3 mirror sites running also

    so if one goes down the other two are ready to take is place with no loss of data or perhaps very little

    the mirrors would be owned by other fokes for example
    Mirror 1 myself
    Mirror 2 Elmerfudd
    Mirror 3 Dawallet

    so even if i were to leave burst the other 2 would be there still



  • @kev626 said in Multiple BURST announcements & what to expect going forward:

    @Darkbane I'm afraid such a thing doesn't exist. We will need to use a vm. I'll take monthly backups and save them. If it ever goes down and @haitch disappears, which probably won't happen, I'll put up my own server and start with the backups. This process then just continues.

    I'm not talking about something like the forums... I'm literally just talking about a "welcome page" like a wikipedia where people can put basic information and direct people to the more advanced personally owned and operated websites... a true community source of information that can be modified and changed as things naturally do but those still remaining in the community...

    I mean wikipedia already does what I want, I was just wondering if there were any other services I'm unaware of that someone else has experience with similar to it, and possibly better than it... but no, we don't need a VM owned and operated by others to have this starting point for people that can be the traffic cop directing them which way to turn for information or as a source of information for the most commonly and repeated things we routinely see asked/answered dozens of times daily... instead we could say "hey check out the wikipedia, its got tons of info, but since you're here I can answer that question now, but make sure to check the wiki too"...


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    @Darkbane There are no hosts where you can create a private wiki. Wikipedia won't host a Burstcoin specific wiki; no one is going to give you free hosting - you need a VM to run the Wiki server.



  • @haitch said in Multiple BURST announcements & what to expect going forward:

    @Darkbane There are no hosts where you can create a private wiki. Wikipedia won't host a Burstcoin specific wiki; no one is going to give you free hosting - you need a VM to run the Wiki server.

    I don't want it to be a private wiki, I want it to be public, where the public edits it, like on wikipedia...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burstcoin

    P.S. basically, I want to encourage folks to go to the current wikipedia, and edit it, and add information, and contribute to that, rather than try to create and run a separate one thats prone to all the issues I have described...


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    @Darkbane you've taken private out of context. What I was trying to say was that Wikipedia wont' host a Burstcoin wiki - you need a host to run the wiki, and that host will be a VM - there are no free wiki hosts.


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    @Darkbane www.burst.wiki
    Creating a new page is done by linking a new article in an existing article.
    You don't have to register to edit this wiki.


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    @daWallet Thank you and the Burst Foundation for stepping up and creating this. I hope it's as successful as it needs to be - and let me know if I can do anything.


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