Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit )
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@captinkid said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
@Evo said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
- Burst will get ASICs when the price makes it worth it, we already have proof of concept CPU and GPU mining that doesn't use hard drives. If someone builds an ASIC that can generate nonces, it'll work just fine. How many TB can be simulated is based on the efficiency of the chip, but it'll happen.
I have a miner that can process 150TB in 40 seconds. For an ASIC to be as effective as my disk, it would need to be capable of calculating 858,306,884 nonces/minute. I don't see that happening any time soon.
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@captinkid
Recalculating something constantly on the fly will be always more -expensive- than calculating it once, save it for forever, and just read it if necessary.It's like a speedy writer vs a library of books. What is more efficient in terms of getting information? Who would run an ASIC which simulates a 4 TB disk (random number) instead of a 4 TB HDD, when an ASIC costs 10 times more and uses 10 times more electricity? (All numbers are exemplary)
The ASICs chips are getting faster every year but so does capacity increase...
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@haitch for his previous past that he made, he said there wouldn't even be HDD's mining these coins, rather, ASICs
@captinkid said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
@HiDevin You wouldn't be plotting those nonces, you'd be reading the scoop and target from the current block and your CPU, GPU, or ASIC would only be generating nonces for the current block in real time, and submitting nonces as they are found.
No hard drive would even exist in the system at all.
You can do this with current software, but without ASICs or FPGAs it's not really worth it.
though I really doubt this, and I doubt it would work though .-.
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@HiDevin I would rather folks not have to deal with exclusion so...
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Well, it's all academic anyhow. As soon as I finish my Tachyon Activated Reduced Dimension Infinite Storage drive (T.A.R.D.I.S.), which is based on an N-dimensional quantum array of entangled high energy photons, all Burst mining will belong to me!
In truth, I already have the drive working. It's just that I'm still trying to figure out how to plot the first Yottabyte or two before I die of old age.
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@captinkid said in Cause of the botnet ( in response to " pajeet " exploit ):
But it would only have to target the scoop that is up. All of the other scoops would be ignored effectively increasing it's leverage by 4000x
But the ASIC that could simulate 4TB of only the specific scoop that is up. It would be the equivalent of 16PB of HDD space.We have this discussion at least every half year. You calc is not right as there are Shabal funcions and Xor in between during plotting. @Blago is an expert on answering exactly this question now. An ASIC has to make all scoops to extract the one it needs. Check this out:
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@captinkid You cant calculate scoop 4096 with out computing the 4095 scoops before it: scoop(x + 1) = shabal(scoop(X)) , and the plotting values require the hash from scoop 4,096. Burst Flowchart So even if the block is mining Scoop 1, you still have to calc all 4,096 scoops per nonce.
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Ahh understood! That's actually a very clean design. I retract my previous uneducated statements :)
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@captinkid Yeah, that's what helps make it ASIC resistant. And my formula above was a little simplistic:
chunk(x + 1) = shabal(chunk(x))
scoop(x) = chunk(x) XOR chunk(4096)So to be as effective as 150TB as physical disc, the theoretical ASIC, would need to compute 850M nonces per minute, which is 3.5 Trillion scoops per minute, each one requiring a computationally intense shabal hash. Like I said - no time soon, and I doubt in my lifetime.
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@haitch and don't forget that HDD/SSD sizes are rising....
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@daWallet Yep, Samsung said they'd be able to build 128TB SSD's by 2018. If they can do that cost effectively, bulk storage is about to get cheap.
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id say another 5 years and platter HDD's wont be made anymore because SSD's will be cheaper and bigger
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@Gibsalot It'll all come down to economies of scale - if SSD's get a whole lot bigger, does the price/TB come down, if not the big SSDs will only be used by a select few. That said though, SSD prices have been on a steady decreasing $/GB
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@haitch yep , and its normal around 5 years for enterprise equip to start making its way into consumer market. with a 128TB SSD set to hit the market next year id say in 5 years we will have 10 - 40 TB SSD's as the norm to enthusiest grade on the consumer end
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@Gibsalot Yep.
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@Lexicon yea, his estimated plot size if he was running " legit " would be 2.592 PB
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@Lexicon @HiDevin As mentioned in the other thread 7 of his blocks have also been from the SAME nuance number... How is that possible?? Surely the odds is more than the universe for it to win 7 blocks in such a small amount of time.
These blocks;
374232
374469
374519
374525
374612
374624
374693




