Plotting and Mining on Amazon Cloud Drive



  • I was going to ask if anyone looked into google drive but scene its 99 bucks a month for 10TB not really a option



  • Amazon cloud drive account locked out again!
    I am beginning to think that this might not be worth the hassle after all.
    Its definately automated as I have two ACD accounts and they were both locked at the same time at around 19:00 British time



  • @machasm Interesting, so I might have got logged out just in time :-)

    Spoke too soon, just checked my account and I am locked out as well, despite having no activity for the last Hour......

    Rich



  • @RichBC ChatEnd ChatSound
    Me: Hi I have just got a message that my Amazon Drive has been locked. Can you help?
    Thanks
    You're now connected to Karthik from Amazon.co.uk
    Karthik: Hello, my name is Karthik. I'll be happy to help you.
    Am I chatting with Rich?
    Me: Yes
    Karthik: Hey Rich, I'll surely help you in this regard.
    Me: Thank You
    Karthik: I'll right away unlock this for you Rich.
    I've successfully unlocked the drive on your account.
    You should be able to use it now.
    I hope I was able to help you in this regard.
    Me: OK thank you. It has been locked before, do you know why?
    Karthik: Accounts may be closed when we've noticed unusual activity, including users accessing Amazon Drive from many devices and above normal frequency levels.
    this is when the drive gets locked.
    Me: Yes that's great it's fine now. Yes I did use it a lot Today but only from a single device. Thank You
    Karthik: You're most welcome Rich.

    :-)

    Looks to me that they log usage / IP's etc but only Lock people out after data has been gathered over a 24Hr - 48Hr and as @machasm says it smacks to me of being an automated process, rather than someone examining the logs?



  • How have the speeds been tonight? Still all over the place?



  • @gersey I stopped Mining 19 Hrs ago and then with the lock out left it that way until Morning in the UK.

    Have just restarted, with just 8TB being scanned as I want to see how big the breaks need to be to not get shut down. Could be that mining with any small amount of TB is no good because of the regular reads 24/7 ?

    What is interesting is that I uploaded Plots for virtually 2 Months without a problem. I guess that might have been ok because on the VPS the time that it took to plot and optimise made for made for a typical sequence of 2 Hours plotting and Optimising then 40 Minutes uploading, albeit 24/7

    Anyway we are running again with now only 8TB maxing out my Bandwidth on the Download.Read time is 4 Minutes, so will still be a high proportion of the time reading.

    0_1488957092771_Speed-4.jpg

    There are breaks now, but it's all down to the Block times. Let's see how this goes?

    Rich



  • Thanks for the update @RichBC fingers crossed that today goes well for you.



  • @gersey
    Unlocked my accounts straight away and started mining again immediately.
    Speeds were back to normal (around 8Mbps on a T2 instance) and have been mining all night without a problem. I fully expect my accounts to get locked out again this evening.



  • @machasm it seems at least for now it is going to just be part of the mining process. once my uploads are done I am going to start mining with the intent of trying to figure out the amount of time that sets off the lock process and then see if random intermittent breaks help and if so how many and how long



  • @gersey
    That may take quite a long time to figure out but I wish you the best of luck.
    It will be interesting to see your findings.
    I wrote an e-mail to the managing director e-mail address of amazon and it was passed to the "executive team" (who knows what is actually going on behind the scenes!) asking why my accoount was being continuously locked.
    You will laugh at the reply I got quoted below.

    **Dear xxxxxx,

    I hope you're doing fine. Thanks for your patience while I looked into this case. The engineers and the team in charge of Cloud Drive have determined that your account has been getting closed because it exceeds 200TB of data per day, even though there's less than 5TB of data in the account, the entire content of your account is being downloaded dozens of times per day.

    Unfortunately, NetDrive is being shared with dozens or hundreds of users on the Internet, which doesn't comply with our terms of use, and puts excessive stress on our system. I just wanted to give you a quick update on the investigation process we've initiated to determine the reason why your account was closed many time. We're currently working on a final resolution, I'll get back to you as soon as I have more information.

    Thank you for taking the time to write to us.**

    What a load of BS. There is no way in hell that me or anyone else is downloading 200TB of data in a 24Hr period.
    if the plots are a total of 5TB then I would be downloading about 1.2GB per block. How many blocks in a day? About 360 or so? so that would be at worse around 1/2 TB a day.



  • @machasm Yes somewhere along the line someone has got a decimal point in the wrong place, perhaps they meant 200GB? What is slightly worrying is that they seem to have identified that you are using Netdrive, but then strangely have assumed that you are also sharing the account?

    Rich



  • @RichBC Yesterday with the 8TB was a complete repeat of the Day before. Everything fine all day then just before 18:00 the speed dropped and then the account was locked. Here is the unlock dialog.

    Me: Hi My Amazon Drive has just been locked and I cannot access my files, can you help?
    You're now connected to Furqan from Amazon.co.uk
    Furqan: Hello, my name is Furqan. I'll be happy to help you today.
    Me: Hi
    Furqan: Hi Rich, I do understand that the Amazon Drive Account is locked and you are unable to access your files.
    Do not worry as I will check the details for you and help.
    Me: Thank You
    Furqan: I see that it has been locked due to security concerns however, do not worry as I will in this case as you are unable to access your content or files I will unblock it for you and you can go ahead and access the content also back it up.
    Is that okay with you?
    Me: I do not understand security concerns it is only me using the drive. I will check if i can access now
    Furqan: Sure, do not worry as I've unlocked your account.
    Me: checking now
    Furqan: You can now be able to access the Amazon Drive Account.
    I see that while you were uploading files on the drive there might be some files which were not accepted or else the IP Address you were using to upload the content might having some firewalls which might be affecting the uploads.
    Do not worry as I've unlocked the account now it shall work fine.
    Me: It is still locked a t the moment. I have not uploaded files for several days, only downloaded. Will check again
    Furqan: I request you to check now.
    Me: OK it's fine now. Thank You
    Furqan: I'm glad the account is working fine.
    Thank you for confirming.
    You're most welcome Rich . Please let me know if there is anything else that I can assist you with today?
    Me: That is all. Except that the account was also locked Yesterday. Not sure what I am doing wrong?
    Furqan: Do not worry as I've updated the information on the account as you were using it for only downloads.
    I request you to go ahead using the account and it shall work fine.
    Me: Thank you very much
    Furqan: You're welcome again. Is there anything else that I can assist you with today?
    Me: That is all.
    Furqan: Thank you for visiting Amazon.co.uk Chat. We look forward to seeing you again soon. Have a Nice Evening!

    So who knows what data they have access to but their explanation was associated with Uploading which I have not done for some time?

    Have cut back to 6TB for Todays test.

    Rich



  • Thanks for the update @RichBC



  • @RichBC
    Not hard to find out if your using netdrive or not by watching the port numbers.
    I haven't a clue what he means by sharing it though as it is the evaluation version that I am using?
    Could be right with the decimal point but still you would have thought they would try to get their facts straight before replying with any old BS.
    By sharing they might mean accessing the same cloud drive account from different IPs which of course I have been doing.
    BTW what is up with the burst network ATM? Wallet syncs seam to be taking an age and this forum is going on and off line frequently.
    BTW gotta love the name of the CS rep at Amazon you were in dialogue with. Was his last name 'hell' :-)



  • forum and wallet where being DDOS's for the 24-48 hours been balls to get on looks like they have it under control now though



  • @machasm It's all a bit of a mystery and I am far from certain the the Agent you get to talk to has much real information about why your account has been locked?

    I have made my test as simple as it could be. Just downloading and from a single IP. However it's still being locked. Will continue backing off on the TB, not because it's practical in the long run, but just to see if there is a point where the account does not get locked?

    I am toying with the idea of a combination of Uploading and downloading to simulate more normal usage next.

    There have been a lot of problems with everything haitch hosts because of attacks on his systems.

    :-) hell

    Rich



  • @gersey
    Thanks



  • Ok here's an interesting bit of data that justifies why perusing this is worthwhile. If we make the following simple Assumptions.

    $1 = 1000 Burst
    1TB will earn 330 Burst a Week
    Amazon Drive costs $1 a Week

    Then you only need 3TB to be breaking even. :-)

    Rich



  • @RichBC
    Without raining on your parade Rich, we do have to take into account that not every block has enough time to go through the whole plot read so fast blocks get passed over.
    Also you haven't factored in for the time the cloud drive is locked out so no reading done at that point until it is unlocked again.
    That said, I still think it is worthwhile especially if you have around 6TB on the cloud. This seams to be the sweet spot, well for me at least.



  • @machasm Yes I agree it was a rose tinted glasses view, but the calculator actually shows 430 Burst / TB / Week. Have been meaning to do some order of magnitude maths for a while and it actually came out better than I expected :-)

    Have not run out of ideas yet on the various problems, but am going to concentrate in the short term on what the limits are / how to mine the most without getting locked.

    Rich


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