Starting with Mining
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@LithStud k i just took the price from here http://geizhals.eu/?cat=hde7s&xf=1080_SATA+1.5Gb%2Fs~1080_SATA+3Gb%2Fs~1080_SATA+6Gb%2Fs~3772_3.5
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@babelis I just ordered this controller to replace 3 smaller sata controllers and free up some PCIe slots :-)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HighPoint-DC-7280-SAS-RAID-Controller-32-Port-PCI-e-2-0-SATA-/322019657683?hash=item4af9de07d3:g:~AoAAOSwpLNYAkFt
Every slot there can handle 4 drives via special cable.
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@luxe LSI 8i Raid Controllers - 8 drives per PCIe slot - Raid or JBOD
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@haitch I only use JBOD (The controller i mentioned above is no raid, the seller just does not know that it seams ...), i want to replace 2 of this: http://geizhals.eu/highpoint-rocketraid-2680-a380035.html and another USB3/SATA combo card.
Hopefully the new controller will work like expected .. or i have to spend more to get a modern one :-)
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@luxe hehe I've got a couple of RocketRaids sitting around - actually, there's one in this PC driving a 4 bay eSATA chassis.
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@haitch Yes they are totally fine (little slow on boot) ... but i need to free PCIe slots :-)

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nice discussion here guys but can you please help me if I can use the burst wallet plotter to create 3* 500gb and 1x 300gb plots on my harddrive and then use the plot optimizer for it? Is this the best option?
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@babelis If you have a reasonable GPU, the best approach is to use the gpu plotter in direct mode to create the optimized plots. You can create the plots with the wallet, then optimize them, but you need as much free space available as the plot that you're optimizing takes.
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@babelis sry for going off topic ...
Is it necessary to cool the drivers? Are they working whole time during mining process (I heard that cpu is working only few minutes and then there is some scanning process)
Yes, in general drives need some cooling, at least they should not be packed in a box without airflow. Your drives should spin/idle all the time, they will only read if a new block started for a few seconds.
I can get some cheap 500w psu for 10-20€ from ebay with 4 sata
Sure you can try, i also found this http://geizhals.eu/phobya-70w-4-pin-molex-1013048-a1506088.html witch could be very useful. Guess it should be able to handle maybe 6-8 drives ... depends/not sure.
majority of these adapter are compatibile only with - Windows 98/ 2000/ Me/ XP, Mac, I have win 10 actually ...
They will all run on win10, too ... i'm quite sure! Most of the hardware may have been released before win10 was available, so it does not show up there.
But in detail, what adapters are you talking above, please post a example. If you want to attach a lot of drives to one USB slot on your laptop, it is hopefully a USB3 adapter?! USB2 will be to slow for a bunch of drives via usb hub or something.EDIT: Ok i try to find info and it seams you have two USB3 slots?! Thats fine, but how many ram? 4GB?
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@haitch said in Starting with Mining:
@babelis If you have a reasonable GPU, the best approach is to use the gpu plotter in direct mode to create the optimized plots. You can create the plots with the wallet, then optimize them, but you need as much free space available as the plot that you're optimizing takes.
B51-80 Laptop (Lenovo) parameters : cpu- intel pentium 4405U 2.1ghz 4core, gpu - intel hd graphics 510, 4Gb ram , the gpu plotting isn't for me I think, so if I create 900Gb plot then optimize it I will get 1.8tb of occupied memory right? Will it have better performance than 2x 900gb plots on hdd?
@luxe said in Starting with Mining:
majority of these adapter are compatibile only with - Windows 98/ 2000/ Me/ XP, Mac, I have win 10 actually ...
They will all run on win10, too ... i'm quite sure! Most of the hardware may have been released before win10 was available, so it does not show up there.
But in detail, what adapters are you talking above, please post a example. If you want to attach a lot of drives to one USB slot on your laptop, it is hopefully a USB3 adapter?! USB2 will be to slow for a bunch of drives via usb hub or something.Ok, that's great I was talking basically about any adapter 2.5/3.5 sata to usb 3.0 like this - http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-SATA-PATA-IDE-to-USB-2-0-Adapter-Converter-Cable-for-2-5-3-5-Hard-Drive-/371609120565?hash=item5685a12f35:g:lecAAOSwKfVXHdMA
But that's not my biggest problem right now because I already bought 2tb external hdd, I'm just doing a little research into which software is best for plotting, if it's necesseary to optimize plots and if I ca use my laptop during the mining process like usual (and yes it's 4gb ram) , when I will start sucessfuly mining with this hdd I can start thinking about getting more, how to connect and power them
Thanks
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@babelis
You do not have much of memory, so you will have to optimize your plots as you can not create stagger big enough on first run.
Your options:- Use 'CPU plotter' or 'GPU plotter in buffered mode' with low memory usage (maybe 1GB) and after optimize your plot.
- Use GPUPlotter in direct mode, what may slow down plotting but create optimized plot directly.
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@luxe hmm I think my intergrated intel graphic won't do the the magic :D where can I choose between buffered and direct mode? I would like to do it via wallet plotter because you don't have to care about setting nounces etc... , I have 1.8Tb so maybe create - 1plot 0.45tb then optimize it and then another 0.45tb and optimize it (hope it would be better than creating 4x 0.45tb)
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@babelis you have to do it via command line i guess
https://github.com/bhamon/gpuPlotGenerator#generationgpuPlotGenerator generate buffer /path/to/files/123456_0_50000_5000
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gpuPlotGenerator generate direct /path/to/files/123456_0_50000_5000
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@luxe my gpu isn't even recognized in nicehash miner for example so I will go for that cpu plotting and optimizing later, what do you think about the plan mentioned before? -1.8tb --> create 0.45tb plot (with burst wallet) --> optimize (with Plot Optimizer v1.6) and repeat
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@babelis Ok you asked for where to choose between buffered and direct ... yes sure just get started plot and optimize and see if it works well for you ... however, you could also try gpuPlotter, maybe you are wrong and it is faster ... i can not tell you, you have to just try and error ... i'm quite sure if openCL is supported the gpuPlotter will be faster.
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@luxe ok thanks, best thing to do is to try it ! Wish I could connect these two and use them for plotting but they are traveling and later will be used for exp mining

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@luxe ok my first 462Gb have been plotted sucessfuly with wallet plotter (2200nounces - 12 hours) , now if I understand it corretly when i use the plot optimizer on that 462gb plot it will create new 462gb optimized plot and at the end it will delete the old one so at the end there will be only 1 optimized plot but during that process there will be 2 of them an that's the reason why I need the extra memory to do it? Will be the optimized plots recognized by wallet miner later?
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@babelis said in Starting with Mining:
...if I understand it corretly when i use the plot optimizer on that 462gb plot it will create new 462gb optimized plot and at the end it will delete the old one so at the end there will be only 1 optimized plot but during that process there will be 2 of them an that's the reason why I need the extra memory to do it?
Yes, even if i'm not sure what you mean with 'extra memory' ... the optimizer uses the data of plot to create a optimized plot (faster if on another drive). After finishing, plotfile can be deleted and only optimized plot remains.
https://forums.burst-team.us/topic/288/plots-101/5
Will be the optimized plots recognized by wallet miner later?
Sry no idea. (As i configure my drives in miner config)
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@luxe I wonder if he is asking does he need to delete the first plot. I guess He would need to delete the first one after the optimized was created. Then he has to plot again if he want to fill the drive with plots
